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closer to these areas of low pressure to the north and west of the uk but later went to the south because of this area of high pressure. it means as we move through this evening and overnight, with lighter winds and clearer skies we will see those temperatures fall away again the further north and west with the cloud and rain it will be milder in the last few nights. that continues as we head into thursday, south—westerly winds and some mild across the uk you will be lucky if you cut some sunshine across shelter in eastern areas with further rain to the north and west of scotland, those temperatures in the teens. hello, this is bbc news with ben thompson. the headlines: the cost of living hits its highest level for a decade, with inflation running at 4.2% —

driven by increasing costs of fuel, energy, transport and hospitality. everything's gone up. it might only be 50, 60p here, but at the end, it does mount up. clashes in the commons as borisjohnson faces labour claims he tried to give the green light to corruption. the prime minister will appear before a committee of senior mps later this afternoon. counter—terror police say the man behind an explosion outside liverpool women's hospital started making preparations for his attack back in april. former yorkshire cricketer azeem rafiq talks to the bbc about the racism he suffered at the club, and says he is determined that sharing his experiences will move society as a whole. and the bbc discovers the world's most wanted cyber—crime supects are living freely in russia.

sport now, and for a full round—up from the bbc sport centre, here's holly. the former yorkshire cricketer azeem rafiq has told the bbc his evidence to mps yesterday about racism in the sport was more powerful than anything he could have done on the pitch. he says he hopes it will have �*woken a lot of people up�*, and that both cricket and society should seize the moment as an opportunity for change. yesterday mr rafiq gave details to a commons committee about the racial slurs he'd been subjected to when he played for yorkshire. he's been talking to our sports editor, dan roan. he sports editor, dan roan. has gone from county cric game he has gone from county cricketer to game changing whistle—blower and a day after taking his allegations of institutional racism to westminster, the former yorkshire player said he had been overwhelmed. i’m the former yorkshire player said he had been overwhelmed. i'm incredibly relieved, i felt _

had been overwhelmed. i'm incredibly relieved, i felt like _ had been overwhelmed. i'm incredibly relieved, i felt like a _ had been overwhelmed. i'm incredibly relieved, i felt like a massive - had been overwhelmed. i'm incredibly relieved, i felt like a massive way - relieved, i felt like a massive way off my shoulders. i spoke to my dad last night. he was just really proud of me and he said look all that running at the rickets, couldn't have done what i did yesterday. at have done what i did yesterday. at times struggling to contain his emotions, his testimony laid bare the racism he suffered. i’m emotions, his testimony laid bare the racism he suffered.— the racism he suffered. i'm very determined _ the racism he suffered. i'm very determined that _ the racism he suffered. i'm very determined that this _ the racism he suffered. i'm very determined that this will - the racism he suffered. i'm very determined that this will be - the racism he suffered. i'm very i determined that this will be looked back on as the moment where not only sport but society as a whole went in a different direction to what has been going. the a different direction to what has been going-— been going. the ecb has been criticised for _ been going. the ecb has been criticised for their _ been going. the ecb has been criticised for their handling - been going. the ecb has been criticised for their handling of| been going. the ecb has been i criticised for their handling of the crisis. chief executive tom harris said admitting to the committee that the sport runs was facing an emergency over diversity. i the sport runs was facing an emergency over diversity. i feel like we have — emergency over diversity. i feel like we have a _ emergency over diversity. i feel like we have a few _ emergency over diversity. i feel like we have a few months - emergency over diversity. i feel. like we have a few months where emergency over diversity. uteri like we have a few months where we need to see some tangible changes

and if it's not something that changes in the next few months, i think patients will run out. fin a think patients will run out. on a chastening _ think patients will run out. on a chastening day _ think patients will run out. on a chastening day for _ think patients will run out. on a chastening day for cricket, - think patients will run out. on a chastening day for cricket, several high—profile names including former yorkshire stars matthew hoggard and tim bresnan for dry into one of the game's worst ever scandals. former england captain and now top pundit michael vaughan had orally tonight the claim he made a racist remark to a group of asian players in 2009 so what does that whistle—blower site should now happen to his old team—mate? should now happen to his old team-mate?— should now happen to his old team-mate? .,, ., ., , , team-mate? people apologise, they deserve a second _ team-mate? people apologise, they deserve a second chance. _ team-mate? people apologise, they deserve a second chance. people - team-mate? people apologise, they| deserve a second chance. people end and i am, there has to be a level of accountability and its four the employers to send out a message or that they will give a green light to racism or stamp it out.— racism or stamp it out. since this crisis engulfed _ racism or stamp it out. since this crisis engulfed yorkshire - racism or stamp it out. since this crisis engulfed yorkshire there i racism or stamp it out. since this | crisis engulfed yorkshire there has been a host of further allegations at other counties. the game's authorities are now braced for many more whistle—blowers to come

forward. what is your message to anyone who has experienced the kind of thing you did but stayed silent forfear of thing you did but stayed silent for fear of of thing you did but stayed silent forfear of being open of thing you did but stayed silent for fear of being open about it, would you encourage them to speak out? �* , , out? i'm sure there will be floodgates. _ out? i'm sure there will be floodgates. i've _ out? i'm sure there will be floodgates. i've spoken . out? i'm sure there will be floodgates. i've spoken to| out? i'm sure there will be| floodgates. i've spoken to a out? i'm sure there will be - floodgates. i've spoken to a few people even since yesterday and all i would say is you have to be honest and you have to come forward and get it off your chest. you will be heard and whether anyone else stands by you or not, i will stand by you. many hoped this episode proves a wake—up call for the game's authorities but regaining trust will not be easy. and there is more a reaction to that story on the bbc sport website. we will stay with cricket. usman khawaja has been named in australia's is—man squad for the first two ashes tests against england. he's not played test cricket since august 2019 when australia

retained the ashes in england. australia have played only three test series since then — all at home, beating pakistan and new zealand before being stunned 2—1 by india injanuary, when they lost at the gabba in brisbane for the first time since 1988. cameron norrie will make his debut at the atp finals in turin tonight as a late replacement. the british number one has been called into action after stefanos tsitsipas injured his elbow. he'll take on norway's casper ruud at 8pm and then world number one novak djokovic on friday. and one of britain's most decorated wheelchair tennis playersjordanne whiley has announced her retirement. whiley won 13 grand slams, including the us open singles tournament in 2015. she's also a four time paralympic medallist. earlier this year whiley was among six players representing the uk at the postponed 2020 paralympics in tokyo where she paralympics in tokyo.

george ford has called his decision to leave leicester tigers at the end of the season to join sale sharks, the �*most difficult of his career�*. the england fly—half has had two stints with leicester, re—joining in 2017 from bath — and has helped the side win eight from eight as they top the premiership. ford added that he's excited to play rugby in the north west, for his local club. that's all the sport for now. you later, thanks very much. now, a favourite story of the day, this. making a call on the old dog and bone could become a little bit more literal. an animal—computer interaction expert at the university of glasgow has come up with a new device, allowing her pet labrador zack to video call her when she s not at home. its hoped the special internet—connected ball, nicknamed dogphone, could help pets with separation anxiety, as well as getting more people to consider how technology could benefit animals. joining me now is dr ilyena hirskyj—douglas,

a specialist in animal—computer interaction at the university of glasgow's school of computing science, and creator of the dogphone — and she'sjoined by her labrador and research colleague zack. it's so lovely to see you both and i noticed zack is not one for tv, he's noticed zack is not one for tv, he's not very excited about being with us but we are. talk to us about this device, how does it work and what was the thinking behind the research?— was the thinking behind the research? . ., research? the device, i have it here, it is _ research? the device, i have it here. it is a — research? the device, i have it here, it is a ball— research? the device, i have it here, it is a ball with _ research? the device, i have it here, it is a ball with a - research? the device, i have it l here, it is a ball with a computer inside it that detects when the dog would move the device and then it would move the device and then it would bring the dog on a laptop that was in a lounge in our home. the thinking behind the device was really a pet tack market is growing rapidly and expanding and we have lots of different things for pets such as wearables and different games and toys that pets do not have

much control over what they do with these devices work when they use them, so the idea behind this dogphone really was to give animals choices of when to use this device, went to call me and to look at how they would use the internet. indie went to call me and to look at how they would use the internet. we are lookin: at they would use the internet. we are looking at pictures _ they would use the internet. we are looking at pictures now— they would use the internet. we are looking at pictures now about - they would use the internet. we are looking at pictures now about how. looking at pictures now about how this works and i wonder what sort of training is involved too, i guess, teach zack that you can use the ball to call you when he needs to. talk me through a little bit of that. we didn't me through a little bit of that. - didn't involve any training in this because i didn't want to train the dog so he would use the device i wanted to see how you develop devices for dogs they would inherently use and how would they use it, would they like to chew the internet or move around a ball so we just demonstrated the device to him and then left it to him for three months to see how he would use it.

and how often is he calling you? bi; and how often is he calling you? el: the end of it he was ringing me about five times a day at different lengths. it was up to me when i would hang up on the call, just to make sure his welfare was ok in the call. he would ring me and he would do various different things so sometimes he would throw a treat toy at me, sometimes he would look at me and other times he would come close to the screen, it buried on these different days.— to the screen, it buried on these different days. from an interaction oint of different days. from an interaction point of view. _ different days. from an interaction point of view, clearly _ different days. from an interaction point of view, clearly she - different days. from an interaction point of view, clearly she can - different days. from an interaction point of view, clearly she can see i point of view, clearly she can see you so you have a visual connection and i guess can hear you as well. how important is that interaction for a pet, how important is that interaction fora pet, many how important is that interaction for a pet, many people may have got a pat on lockdown, are having to go back to the office and are leaving their pet at home, they will note that separation anxiety is real? i think it's becoming a real problem is more pets are being left home alone. i think this device shows

that animals can use the internet to connect, here my dog used the internet to connect to me but it could be possible that dogs could connect to each other, they could connect to each other, they could connect outside or to different wildlife or different parks or things like this so this is what i see as the beginning of dogs forming their own internet and their own social lives. i their own internet and their own social lives-— their own internet and their own social lives. i wanted to ask what the implications _ social lives. i wanted to ask what the implications are _ social lives. i wanted to ask what the implications are for - social lives. i wanted to ask what the implications are for this - the implications are for this because i'm fascinated, there are so many different facets about not least whether the cult can go both ways. least whether the cult can go both wa s. . y ., least whether the cult can go both wa s. ., least whether the cult can go both wa s. . y., ., . least whether the cult can go both wa s. . ., ways. can you call zack? i made it so he will — ways. can you call zack? i made it so he willjust _ ways. can you call zack? i made it so he willjust have _ ways. can you call zack? i made it so he willjust have to _ ways. can you call zack? i made it so he willjust have to move - ways. can you call zack? i made it so he willjust have to move the l so he willjust have to move the ball and it would answer my calls. unfortunately he never answered any of my calls. he unfortunately he never answered any of m calls. ., , �* unfortunately he never answered any ofm calls. .,,�* unfortunately he never answered any ofm calls. ., ,�* , of my calls. he doesn't pick up when ou call of my calls. he doesn't pick up when you call him? _ of my calls. he doesn't pick up when you call him? he _ of my calls. he doesn't pick up when you call him? he didn't— of my calls. he doesn't pick up when you call him? he didn't pick- of my calls. he doesn't pick up when you call him? he didn't pick up - of my calls. he doesn't pick up when you call him? he didn't pick up but l you call him? he didn't pick up but i ick u- you call him? he didn't pick up but i pick no his _ you call him? he didn't pick up but i pick up his phone _ you call him? he didn't pick up but i pick up his phone calls _ you call him? he didn't pick up but i pick up his phone calls but - you call him? he didn't pick up but i pick up his phone calls but i - you call him? he didn't pick up but i pick up his phone calls but i try . i pick up his phone calls but i try to make it so we both had agency and control over the device and i guess theyjust need to be further work

done on how we can support both dogs and humans using the same technology. and humans using the same technology-— and humans using the same technolo: . �* , ., , and humans using the same technolo: . �* , ., technology. and the implications are what, one would _ technology. and the implications are what, one would assume _ technology. and the implications are what, one would assume this - technology. and the implications are what, one would assume this is - technology. and the implications are what, one would assume this is the l what, one would assume this is the start of a long process of working out how this sort of tack market can help animals? i out how this sort of tack market can help animals?— help animals? i think this is about aaivin help animals? i think this is about giving animals _ help animals? i think this is about giving animals control _ help animals? i think this is about giving animals control over- help animals? i think this is about giving animals control over their l giving animals control over their homes, turning on lights or heating, connecting to each other or controlling their environment and i think this is the beginning of pet technology not only giving a dog a treat or flashing at a dog that enabling the dog to do so much more on the internet and have access to so much more. it’s on the internet and have access to so much more-— so much more. it's been lovely to see ou, so much more. it's been lovely to see you. thank — so much more. it's been lovely to see you, thank you _ so much more. it's been lovely to see you, thank you for _ so much more. it's been lovely to see you, thank you for explaining | see you, thank you for explaining how all that works, and zack, it has been nice to see you all doubt you have barely moved, you look very comfortable you are so we won't leave him in peace. so how do we follow that? apparently with this.

the owners of house of fraser have announced its oxford street store in london will close in january. frasers group, which runs the department store, has been served notice by the building's landlord after plans were approved to redevelop the site. the company said it was requesting an �*urgent review�* of the business rates, which it said were �*archaic and astonishingly outdated�*. there have been furious exchanges during prime minister�*s questions after borisjohnson was challenged by the labour leader, sir keir starmer, over the issue of sleaze. the commons is expected to vote this afternoon on new restrictions on mps holding second jobs. i�*m joined by hannah white, deputy director of the institute for government think tank. welcome to bbc news. let�*s talk about that debate and that discussion in the commons this afternoon, he did on both sides. maybe we can begin by explaining what they will be asked to vote on. todayis what they will be asked to vote on. today is one of those days in the house of commons where the

opposition gets into the debate and the labour party had been flagging they wanted to talk about ethical standards and in particular whether mps should have a second jabs. they put forward proposals based on a report published by the committee on standards in public life, an ethical regulator that published that report in 2018 and they suggested mps should not have jabs as parliamentary strategists or consultants so advising people on how to go about achieving what they want to achieve in parliament. that is what the labour party proposed to agree with today. the government has put down an amendment to go further and say not only should do sort of job not be allowed but they also have suggested adopting another of the recommendations from that committee which is the work that mps do in terms of second or third or fourthjobs should be do in terms of second or third or fourth jobs should be within reasonable limits so there should be controls which might prevent the

sort of issues we have been talking about in recent weeks in relation to 0wen paterson and geoffrey cox and others. owen paterson and geoffrey cox and others. ~ . . , others. what many will find astonishing _ others. what many will find astonishing is _ others. what many will find astonishing is the _ others. what many will find astonishing is the speed . others. what many will find astonishing is the speed of| others. what many will find i astonishing is the speed of the apparent u—turn. astonishing is the speed of the apparent u-turn._ astonishing is the speed of the apparent u-turn. astonishing is the speed of the a- arent u-turn. , ., ., ., apparent u-turn. yes, two weeks ago the government — apparent u-turn. yes, two weeks ago the government argued _ apparent u-turn. yes, two weeks ago the government argued that - apparent u-turn. yes, two weeks ago the government argued that owen - the government argued that 0wen paterson was hard done by the two have been found to have engaged in paid advocacy for the jobs he have been found to have engaged in paid advocacy for thejobs he had done and a half outside interests and that we have got to a point where the government says it�*s urgent we do something about preventing these jobs so it is a complete turnaround from the situation where political classes didn�*t seem to be bothered about this at all. didn't seem to be bothered about this at all. �* . ., this at all. and the crux of the debate will — this at all. and the crux of the debate will come _ this at all. and the crux of the debate will come down - this at all. and the crux of the debate will come down to - this at all. and the crux of the debate will come down to the | debate will come down to the definition of what will be permitted, and we�*ve been talking to our political correspondent this afternoon about some mps work in public facing jobs, some work in the health sector and legal sector that there others who are making a not

insubstantial sum on the side in lobbying or dealing with advisory work may be communications and that is where the great area emerges, isn�*t it? is where the great area emerges, isn't it? ~ ,,., , is where the great area emerges, isn't it? ~ , ,., , ., is where the great area emerges, isn't it? ~ ,,., , ., , ., isn't it? absolutely, what is on the table from — isn't it? absolutely, what is on the table from the _ isn't it? absolutely, what is on the table from the labour _ isn't it? absolutely, what is on the table from the labour party - isn't it? absolutely, what is on the table from the labour party today | isn't it? absolutely, what is on the | table from the labour party today is pretty narrow in terms ofjust stopping these parliamentary consultant rules, the labour party has said if it came into power it would ban all second jobs apart from a small set of public service related jobs, the ones you mentioned there. the government�*s proposal is just to look at these parliamentary strategy jobs just to look at these parliamentary strategyjobs but also with this idea of reasonable limits which the big question will be how that will be defined, will it beat the time they can spend, is it the amount of money, who would decide what is reasonable and rather an mp is fulfilling their other duties because in the past it has normally been accepted it is up to individual mps to determine how they do their

jobs. mps to determine how they do their “obs. �* ., , ~' mps to determine how they do their “obs. �* ., , ~ ., jobs. and the government is keen to draw a line under _ jobs. and the government is keen to draw a line under the _ jobs. and the government is keen to draw a line under the whole - jobs. and the government is keen to draw a line under the whole affair i draw a line under the whole affair and i wonder whether this afternoon�*s the event will do that, will it be sufficient to restore trust in mps or does it make that all a bit murkier? trust in mps or does it make that alla bit murkier? i trust in mps or does it make that all a bit murkier?— all a bit murkier? i don't think to date will do _ all a bit murkier? i don't think to date will do it. _ all a bit murkier? i don't think to date will do it. if— all a bit murkier? i don't think to date will do it. if the _ all a bit murkier? i don't think to| date will do it. if the government amendment is passed, which if the government mp supported it will be, that puts off deciding on this until they have put a time limit of coming to cross party agreement by the end of january discussion will to cross party agreement by the end ofjanuary discussion will go on at least until then but now these issues have been raised there will still be debate about them and yesterday it was reported that there might be some get out clause whereby mps could keepjobs might be some get out clause whereby mps could keep jobs they currently have until the end of this parliament and then new rules would come into force, i think if that is the weight this is done, it would undermine the sense that politicians get public anxiety about this

because i don�*t something is wrong and inappropriate and mps realise that or it is not, and i don�*t you stop straightaway once this decision is made or you are saying that these things are not really committed to making this change. we things are not really committed to making this change.— things are not really committed to making this change. we will discuss this much more, _ making this change. we will discuss this much more, i'm _ making this change. we will discuss this much more, i'm sure, - making this change. we will discuss this much more, i'm sure, as i making this change. we will discuss this much more, i'm sure, as there| this much more, i�*m sure, as there zvents get under way later, but hannah white, it�*s good to have you with us, deputy director of the institute for government. after an unprecedented year of devastating cyber—attacks, an international push is underway against hackers. cyber gangs are being arrested in multiple countries, but one place where arrests aren t happening is russia, which has historically ignored accusations of harbouring some of the worst cyber—criminals. bbc cyber reporterjoe tidy travelled to russia where some of the accused are living millionaire lifestyles with little chance of being arrested. cyber citadels are crumbling. from ukraine to south korea,

hackers are being rounded up. 0nline too, us intelligence services are hacking back — dismantling criminal networks and even retrieving some of the stolen riches. but there�*s one place where arrests aren�*t happening. for years, russia has brushed off accusations it�*s harbouring hackers. more russians have been sanctioned or indicted for hacking than any other country. 27 appear on the us cyber most wanted list. most of them are linked to the intelligence services but some are alleged criminal hackers. we�*re here today to identify and announce charges against a russian national. maxim jakubec and his right hand man, igor turashev, are the two most wanted alleged hackers in the world. they are accused of leading evil corp, responsible for stealing more than $100 million from victims in a0 different countries. working with bbc russia�*s andrei zakharov, we found contact details for them. in moscow�*s prestigious federation tower, igor turashev runs three businesses. the receptionist found a mobile

number for turashev�*s company. hello. hello, i�*m looking to find igor turashev. whoever answered said they worked for the company and wanted to pass us onto another number until andrei told them where we�*re from. it's the bbc. maxim jakubec too is not keeping a low profile. his wedding was lavish and cost at least half a million dollars. after multiple attempts to contact him, we tried addresses in moscow. he wasn�*t in but his father was eager to talk. how do you think your son has become so rich? you seem very upset by the us and the uk�*s accusations.

the us evidence againstjakubec and his crew is made up of testimony from former gang members and cyber forensics data. some of the evidence was even obtained by the russian police years ago when they were still helping the us investigate. those days seem long gone now. it�*s more available to enlist hackers in russia than to put them injail. one of my sources told me that he personally tried to enlist jakubec and his guys from evil corp to do some work for him. at the spring summit, president biden spoke to president putin about harbouring cyber criminals. putin denied it was a russia problem but promised to work with the us. the talks have yet to bear significant fruit. many experts say russia needs to play its part to fully turn the tide on organised crime in cyberspace. joe tidy, bbc news, in moscow.

we asked the russian government to comment on the fact that hackers seem to operate freely in russia, but received no reply. and you can watch more on the russian hackers wanted by the west this weekend on the bbc news channel and the iplayer. i�*m joined by brett callow, a threat analyst at emsisoft. nice to see you, thanks for being with us. there are so many issues raised in that report, many will find it astonishing that people can�*t seemingly operate with such impunity. talk to me about the growth of ransomware are taxed and whether there is any sense it can be stopped given what we saw injoe�*s report crossing ransomware has been around for years but really started kicking off towards the end of 2018 and became a major problem. it has

and became a ma'or problem. it has been expanding — and became a major problem. it has been expanding ever _ and became a major problem. it has been expanding ever since. - and became a major problem. it 1:3 been expanding ever since. that problem has continued to get worse. we sought russia highlighted there but where is the main source of these attacks globally, because china has often been in the headlines for the sort of thing? the neo . le headlines for the sort of thing? tue: people who headlines for the sort of thing? tte: people who create headlines for the sort of thing? t'te: people who create the headlines for the sort of thing? tte: people who create the ransomware are often believed to be in russia or eastern europe. the people who use it to carry out attacks, however, it can be based anywhere. there was a canadian arrested last year in connection with attacks using russian ransomware. ts connection with attacks using russian ransomware. is there a dancer russian ransomware. is there a danger that _ russian ransomware. is there a danger that we _ russian ransomware. is there a danger that we perceive - russian ransomware. is there a danger that we perceive some i russian ransomware. is there a l danger that we perceive some of these attacks to be loan operators can be doing this from a spare bedroom at home, whereas the implication is some of this is very organised and funding more organised crime? , ., , crime? yes, some of it is undoubtedly _

crime? yes, some of it is undoubtedly extremely . crime? yes, some of it is - undoubtedly extremely organised crime? yes, some of it is _ undoubtedly extremely organised and it�*s very often hard to tell where state—sponsored attacks and and criminal activity begins. fiend criminal activity begins. and companies. _ criminal activity begins. and companies, of _ criminal activity begins. and companies, of course, i criminal activity begins. and companies, of course, often in the firing line here, there is another the ones who may be able to extort money from. what can corporate businesses do to protect themselves, separately from a scale of individual attacks on individual people? individual attacks on individual n-eole? ., v individual attacks on individual neale? ., �*, ., individual attacks on individual n-eole? . �*, ., ., individual attacks on individual neale? ., �*, ., ., , ., ., people? that's a hard question to answer, there _ people? that's a hard question to answer, there is _ people? that's a hard question to answer, there is no _ people? that's a hard question to answer, there is no easy - people? that's a hard question to answer, there is no easy answer i people? that's a hard question to | answer, there is no easy answer is that if there was, attacked wouldn�*t be happening, they would be blocked. most attacks succeed because of basic security failure so by trying to get the basics right companies can reduce the likelihood they will become victims. t5 it can reduce the likelihood they will become victims.— can reduce the likelihood they will become victims. is it an expensive nrocess become victims. is it an expensive process to — become victims. is it an expensive process to protect _ become victims. is it an expensive process to protect yourself - become victims. is it an expensive process to protect yourself or i become victims. is it an expensive process to protect yourself or as l process to protect yourself or as you touch on their comic relatively simple procedures, particularly from an individual point of view if we

fall victim ourselves? tt�*s an individual point of view if we fall victim ourselves?— fall victim ourselves? it's quite difficult, cyber _ fall victim ourselves? it's quite difficult, cyber security - fall victim ourselves? it's quite difficult, cyber security is i fall victim ourselves? it's quite difficult, cyber security is hard | difficult, cyber security is hard and companies need to get it right 100% of the time. the attacker only need them to get it wrong once. t5 need them to get it wrong once. is there enough work being done? because clearly this is happening across borders and that to meet says this needs to be a coordinated international effort and sometimes there is not enoughjoined up planning between authorities to clamp down on these risks. in planning between authorities to clamp down on these risks. in their nast there clamp down on these risks. in their past there absolutely _ clamp down on these risks. in their past there absolutely wasn't - clamp down on these risks. in their past there absolutely wasn't but i clamp down on these risks. in their| past there absolutely wasn't but we past there absolutely wasn�*t but we are now starting to see a change and in recent weeks i think we are seeing more positive action than we had in the last few years and that is obviously a good thing. t had in the last few years and that is obviously a good thing.- is obviously a good thing. i note ou were is obviously a good thing. i note you were talking _ is obviously a good thing. i note you were talking to _ is obviously a good thing. i note you were talking to us _ is obviously a good thing. i note you were talking to us from i you were talking to us from vancouver, we have been speaking this afternoon about the deadly storm where you are, officials describing it as a once in a century whether even. i wonder what the

weather outside your window looks like right now and how you are faring? like right now and how you are farinu ? �* , like right now and how you are farinu ? v like right now and how you are farinu ? �*, ., ~ like right now and how you are farinu ? �*, ., ,, ., like right now and how you are farinu? �*, ., ,, .,, ., faring? it's too dark to see at the moment. faring? it's too dark to see at the moment- it _ faring? it's too dark to see at the moment. it was _ faring? it's too dark to see at the moment. it was certainly - faring? it's too dark to see at the moment. it was certainly the i faring? it's too dark to see at the i moment. it was certainly the wettest weather i have ever encountered, but it has improved in the last day or so and hopefully will state that day. so and hopefully will state that da . ~ , , ., so and hopefully will state that da . ~ , , , so and hopefully will state that da. , day. we wish you well, stay dry and warm. day. we wish you well, stay dry and warm- it's — day. we wish you well, stay dry and warm- it's good _ day. we wish you well, stay dry and warm. it's good to _ day. we wish you well, stay dry and warm. it's good to have _ day. we wish you well, stay dry and warm. it's good to have you - day. we wish you well, stay dry and warm. it's good to have you with i day. we wish you well, stay dry and | warm. it's good to have you with us, warm. it�*s good to have you with us, brett callow, talking about the evidence discovered that many hackers and cyber criminals are still operating seemingly with impunity in parts of russia. in the next few minutes, borisjohnson is to face questions from mps on the cross party liaison committee, which is made up which is made up of chairs of the parliamentary select committees. damian the parliamentary select committees. grammaticar wonder damian grammaticas is with us. i wonder what are the highlights, if thatis wonder what are the highlights, if that is the right word, we should look out for?—

look out for? one of the focuses will beat that _ look out for? one of the focuses will beat that issue _ look out for? one of the focuses will beat that issue we _ look out for? one of the focuses will beat that issue we have i look out for? one of the focuses| will beat that issue we have seen over the last two weeks about mps�* standards, second jobs, sleaze and the whole issue of how that will be dealt with. we note the government has tabled this amendment to a motion that has been devoted later today, that would have the effect of banning any political consultancies, advisory roles, strategist roles that mps would be able to do for outside companies, for example that is about 30 people were so, we think that might potentially affect depending how it is drawn up so that�*s something the government has put forward. separately to that, it is also saying that any outside work other than that, outside job should be limited in ours and scope so it doesn�*t impact on mps actual work but we note the labour party,

although they haven�*t tabled a bid to die, believe it should go further and all outsidejobs to die, believe it should go further and all outside jobs except for a restricted future should be allowed or should be banned. so there will be quite a lot of scrutiny and how the government will deal with this and also i think looking back again over the last two weeks, the whole handling of the 0wen paterson affair, the way the government stepped in there, ordered mps to vote to reshape the system of dealing with complaints, while 0wen paterson�*s case was under consideration, then changed, he resigned and we have seen all this followed so that will be one thing that there will be many others in the last few weeks that mps may focus on, climate change, cop 26, what happened there, also we had to date things like inflation figures so many different areas they could focus on. �* , , ., .,

focus on. and this is a routine event, focus on. and this is a routine event. this — focus on. and this is a routine event, this is _ focus on. and this is a routine event, this is not _ focus on. and this is a routine event, this is not prompted i focus on. and this is a routine | event, this is not prompted by specific circumstances, that prime minister faces the liaison committee three times a year. this minister faces the liaison committee three times a year.— three times a year. this is his reuular three times a year. this is his regular attendance _ three times a year. this is his regular attendance when i three times a year. this is his regular attendance when he i three times a year. this is his i regular attendance when he comes three times a year. this is his - regular attendance when he comes to the commons can sits down, faces those heads of each of the committees so the specialised committees so the specialised committees that deal with... me committees so the specialised committees that deal with. .. we will “um- in as committees that deal with. .. we will jump in as that _ committees that deal with. .. we will jump in as that committee _ committees that deal with. .. we will jump in as that committee has i jump in as that committee has started and we will take viewers they are to have a listen in. the outcome of the cop26 summit. prime minister, i request that you give us your customary extra time and even a bit extra, if you can afford it, in order we cover all topics. t afford it, in order we cover all to-ics. ., , , , .,

topics. i will do my best to oblige ou. topics. i will do my best to oblige you- prime _ topics. i will do my best to oblige you. prime minister, _ topics. i will do my best to oblige you. prime minister, you - topics. i will do my best to oblige you. prime minister, you are i you. prime minister, you are sliehtl you. prime minister, you are slightly hoarse _ you. prime minister, you are slightly hoarse voice - you. prime minister, you are slightly hoarse voice this i you. prime minister, you are i slightly hoarse voice this afternoon and you can save your voice by giving it nice, short answers. t5 giving it nice, short answers. is that so you can keep me for longer? members_ that so you can keep me for longer? members are entitled to use their time as they please. let�*s go straight to the first topic. time as they please. let's go straight to the first topic. thank ou. straight to the first topic. thank you- good _ straight to the first topic. thank you. good afternoon. _ straight to the first topic. thank you. good afternoon. can i straight to the first topic. thank you. good afternoon. can you . you. good afternoon. can you understand _ you. good afternoon. can you understand the _ you. good afternoon. can you understand the public- you. good afternoon. can you understand the public mood i you. good afternoon. can you i understand the public mood that there _ understand the public mood that there is— understand the public mood that there is in— understand the public mood that there is in much— understand the public mood that there is in much of— understand the public mood that there is in much of the _ understand the public mood that there is in much of the country. understand the public mood thati there is in much of the country on standards— there is in much of the country on standards issues— there is in much of the country on standards issues around - there is in much of the country on| standards issues around members there is in much of the country on. standards issues around members of parliament— standards issues around members of parliament and — standards issues around members of parliament and ministers, _ standards issues around members of parliament and ministers, and - standards issues around members of parliament and ministers, and care i parliament and ministers, and care to reflect _ parliament and ministers, and care to reflect upon _ parliament and ministers, and care to reflect upon that _ parliament and ministers, and care to reflect upon that in _ parliament and ministers, and care to reflect upon that in light - parliament and ministers, and care to reflect upon that in light of i parliament and ministers, and care to reflect upon that in light of the i to reflect upon that in light of the events— to reflect upon that in light of the events a — to reflect upon that in light of the events a couple _ to reflect upon that in light of the events a couple of— to reflect upon that in light of the events a couple of weeks - to reflect upon that in light of the events a couple of weeks ago? i to reflect upon that in light of the i events a couple of weeks ago? yes, thank you — events a couple of weeks ago? yes, thank you i — events a couple of weeks ago? yes, thank you. i think _ events a couple of weeks ago? yes, thank you. i think that _ events a couple of weeks ago? thank you. i think that there is a feeling —

thank you. i think that there is a feeling that we need to be getting on and _ feeling that we need to be getting on and ensuring that we have the utmost— on and ensuring that we have the utmost proprietary in our dealings with each— utmost proprietary in our dealings with each other, with the public and the public— with each other, with the public and the public can have full confidence in the _ the public can have full confidence in the system. what i would like to place _ in the system. what i would like to place on _ in the system. what i would like to place on record, and i've said before, — place on record, and i've said before, is— place on record, and i've said before, is that i think it was a mistake — before, is that i think it was a mistake two weeks ago to conflate the very— mistake two weeks ago to conflate the very sad and difficult case with a particular— the very sad and difficult case with a particular colleague who had fallen— a particular colleague who had fallen foul of the commissioner for standards— fallen foul of the commissioner for standards in the standards process, and the _ standards in the standards process, and the need for, as many colleagues saw it. _ and the need for, as many colleagues saw it, rightly or wrongly, for reform — saw it, rightly or wrongly, for reform and improvement to the system, — reform and improvement to the system, to the system for appeals, in the _ system, to the system for appeals, in the event — system, to the system for appeals, in the event of any difficult cases. and what— in the event of any difficult cases. and what i— in the event of any difficult cases. and what i hoped to achieve was some

sort of— and what i hoped to achieve was some sort of cross—party progress on that, _ sort of cross—party progress on that, plainly that was not possible, what i _ that, plainly that was not possible, what i would like to see now is cross—party progress on endorsing some _ cross—party progress on endorsing some of— cross—party progress on endorsing some of the, i think a very useful conclusions — some of the, i think a very useful conclusions on the independent committee's report of 2018. specifically on the ministerial code, — specifically on the ministerial code, as _ specifically on the ministerial code, as im _ specifically on the ministerial code, as i'm sure _ specifically on the ministerial code, as i'm sure the - specifically on the ministerial code, as i'm sure the chair. specifically on the ministerial. code, as i'm sure the chair will have _ code, as i'm sure the chair will have further— code, as i'm sure the chair will have further questions, - code, as i'm sure the chair will have further questions, how i code, as i'm sure the chair will| have further questions, how do code, as i'm sure the chair will- have further questions, how do you view the _ have further questions, how do you view the ministerial— have further questions, how do you view the ministerial code, - have further questions, how do you view the ministerial code, is - have further questions, how do you view the ministerial code, is it i have further questions, how do you view the ministerial code, is it a i view the ministerial code, is it a constitutional— view the ministerial code, is it a constitutional document, - view the ministerial code, is it a constitutional document, do- view the ministerial code, is it a| constitutional document, do you view the ministerial code, is it a i constitutional document, do you see it as a _ constitutional document, do you see it as a guide — constitutional document, do you see it as a guide or— constitutional document, do you see it as a guide or advisory, _ constitutional document, do you see it as a guide or advisory, what - it as a guide or advisory, what status— it as a guide or advisory, what status does— it as a guide or advisory, what status does it _ it as a guide or advisory, what status does it have? - it as a guide or advisory, what status does it have? i- it as a guide or advisory, what status does it have?— it as a guide or advisory, what status does it have? i think the ministerial _ status does it have? i think the ministerial code _ status does it have? i think the ministerial code is _ ministerial code is extremely important. it has been greatly strengthened in the last few years and elaborated in a very clear term, to give _ and elaborated in a very clear term, to give guidance for ministers. what i to give guidance for ministers. what i have _ to give guidance for ministers. what i have done — to give guidance for ministers. what i have done is brought in an independent adviser. to me, i am the

guarantor— independent adviser. to me, i am the guarantor of _ independent adviser. to me, i am the guarantor of the ministerial code, but i _ guarantor of the ministerial code, but i have — guarantor of the ministerial code, but i have benefited from independent advice about how to implement it, and that's what lord guide _ implement it, and that's what lord guide provides. pis implement it, and that's what lord guide provides-— guide provides. as well as that oversight. _ guide provides. as well as that oversight. you _ guide provides. as well as that oversight, you are _ guide provides. as well as that oversight, you are bound i guide provides. as well as that oversight, you are bound by i guide provides. as well as thatl oversight, you are bound by the ministerial— oversight, you are bound by the ministerial code, _ oversight, you are bound by the ministerial code, is— oversight, you are bound by the ministerial code, is that - oversight, you are bound by the ministerial code, is that right? i ministerial code, is that right? yes _ ministerial code, is that right? yes. , , ., ministerial code, is that right? yes. , ,., . ministerial code, is that right? yes. , , .., yes. do you sense a conflict of interest in _ yes. do you sense a conflict of interest in that? _ there are difficult constitutional issues _ there are difficult constitutional issues in — there are difficult constitutional issues in that. where we have got is that lord _ issues in that. where we have got is that lord gate has the ability to suggest — that lord gate has the ability to suggest whether something might be investigating or there has been some

issue raised — investigating or there has been some issue raised in the ministerial code. _ issue raised in the ministerial code. and _ issue raised in the ministerial code, and i think it's highly unlikely— code, and i think it's highly unlikely that i would in any circumstances disagree with him —— with lord _ circumstances disagree with him —— with lord guite. we proceed on that basis _ with lord guite. we proceed on that basis i_ with lord guite. we proceed on that basis i find — with lord guite. we proceed on that basis. ifind him with lord guite. we proceed on that basis. i find him an exceptionally valuable — basis. i find him an exceptionally valuable source of advice. to give an example — valuable source of advice. to give an example recently, the committee will have _ an example recently, the committee will have noted that the business secretary — will have noted that the business secretary wrote a letter to the secretary wrote a letter to the secretary for standards, setting out an explanation and an apology for some _ an explanation and an apology for some recent comments and that was certainly— some recent comments and that was certainly something that was generated in the course of the consultation between me and lord guite _ consultation between me and lord guite. do— consultation between me and lord guite. ,. ~ consultation between me and lord guite. ,., ~ , consultation between me and lord guite. ~ , . guite. do you think it is too much of a blunt instrument _ guite. do you think it is too much of a blunt instrument and - guite. do you think it is too much of a blunt instrument and could i guite. do you think it is too much l of a blunt instrument and could you update _ of a blunt instrument and could you update on _ of a blunt instrument and could you update on any— of a blunt instrument and could you update on any progress _ of a blunt instrument and could you update on any progress made i of a blunt instrument and could you update on any progress made on i of a blunt instrument and could youi update on any progress made on the gradation— update on any progress made on the gradation of— update on any progress made on the gradation of sanctions _ update on any progress made on the gradation of sanctions that _ update on any progress made on the gradation of sanctions that might - gradation of sanctions that might the ministerial— gradation of sanctions that might the ministerial code _ gradation of sanctions that might the ministerial code more - the ministerial code more applicable? _ the ministerial code more applicable?— the ministerial code more

applicable? the ministerial code more aulicable? , t, �*, t, t, applicable? yes, that's an important oint. the applicable? yes, that's an important point. the ministerial— applicable? yes, that's an important point. the ministerial code - applicable? yes, that's an important point. the ministerial code is - applicable? yes, that's an important point. the ministerial code is quite l point. the ministerial code is quite compendious and covers a lot of things — one toecap over any of the red lines and you _ one toecap over any of the red lines and you are — one toecap over any of the red lines and you are finished. i think it is reasonable _ and you are finished. i think it is reasonable that there should be ways in which _ reasonable that there should be ways in which the other sanctions and a breach— in which the other sanctions and a breach of— in which the other sanctions and a breach of the ministerial code should — breach of the ministerial code should not necessarily lead to resignations. that is his view, as i understand — resignations. that is his view, as i understand it.— understand it. following the greensill episode, _ understand it. following the greensill episode, you - understand it. following the - greensill episode, you commissioned ni-el greensill episode, you commissioned nigel gordon— greensill episode, you commissioned nigel gordon lo — greensill episode, you commissioned nigel gordon to commission - greensill episode, you commissioned nigel gordon to commission what - nigel gordon to commission what happened — nigel gordon to commission what happened. part— nigel gordon to commission what happened. part two _ nigel gordon to commission what happened. part two of _ nigel gordon to commission what happened. part two of that - nigel gordon to commission what happened. part two of that was . happened. part two of that was published — happened. part two of that was published recently— happened. part two of that was published recently amidst - published recently amidst the reshuffle _ published recently amidst the reshuffle. have _ published recently amidst the reshuffle. have you _

published recently amidst the i reshuffle. have you considered published recently amidst the - reshuffle. have you considered those recommendations? _ reshuffle. have you considered those recommendations? should _ reshuffle. have you considered those recommendations? should they- reshuffle. have you considered those recommendations? should they be . reshuffle. have you considered those - recommendations? should they be made legally— recommendations? should they be made legally binding? — recommendations? should they be made legally binding? brie _ recommendations? should they be made legally binding?— legally binding? we are considering the recommendations. _ legally binding? we are considering the recommendations. the - legally binding? we are considering i the recommendations. the committee will hear— the recommendations. the committee will hear back. the recommendations. the committee will hear back-— will hear back. what are your instinctive — will hear back. what are your instinctive thoughts? - will hear back. what are your instinctive thoughts? the - will hear back. what are your - instinctive thoughts? the process is invaluable. it _ instinctive thoughts? the process is invaluable. it should _ instinctive thoughts? the process is invaluable. it should be _ invaluable. it should be incumbent upon _ invaluable. it should be incumbent upon anybody in public office to follow _ upon anybody in public office to follow those rules.— follow those rules. quite a toothless _ follow those rules. quite a toothless organisation, - follow those rules. quite a - toothless organisation, though. no, eo - le toothless organisation, though. no, peeple have — toothless organisation, though. people have to abide by the cobra rules~ _ people have to abide by the cobra rules the — people have to abide by the cobra rules. the cabinet office of simon case and — rules. the cabinet office of simon case and others do leading work with eric pickles — case and others do leading work with eric pickles. they are seeing what

improvements can be made. with resect, improvements can be made. with respect. they _ improvements can be made. with respect, they don't _ improvements can be made. with respect, they don't have to follow recommendations— respect, they don't have to follow recommendations and _ respect, they don't have to follow recommendations and can - respect, they don't have to follow recommendations and can do - respect, they don't have to followl recommendations and can do what respect, they don't have to follow- recommendations and can do what they like. recommendations and can do what they like there _ recommendations and can do what they like there have — recommendations and can do what they like. there have been— recommendations and can do what they like. there have been a _ recommendations and can do what they like. there have been a few— recommendations and can do what they like. there have been a few examples i like. there have been a few examples where _ like. there have been a few examples where people — like. there have been a few examples where people have _ like. there have been a few examples where people have disregarded - like. there have been a few examples where people have disregarded a - where people have disregarded a polite _ where people have disregarded a polite letter~ _ where people have disregarded a polite letter. it's— where people have disregarded a polite letter. it's quite _ where people have disregarded a polite letter. it's quite a - polite letter. it's quite a toothless _ polite letter. it's quite a toothless organisation. i polite letter. it's quite a . toothless organisation. do polite letter. it's quite a - toothless organisation. do you polite letter. it's quite a _ toothless organisation. do you think it can _ toothless organisation. do you think it can be _ toothless organisation. do you think it can be strengthened? _ toothless organisation. do you think it can be strengthened? we- toothless organisation. do you think it can be strengthened?— it can be strengthened? we think there is scape — it can be strengthened? we think there is scope for— it can be strengthened? we think there is scope for improving - it can be strengthened? we think there is scope for improving it, i it can be strengthened? we think. there is scope for improving it, but i'm there is scope for improving it, but i'm saying — there is scope for improving it, but i'm saying we have not yet formed a hard and _ i'm saying we have not yet formed a hard and fast view about how to do that _ hard and fast view about how to do that. . ~ hard and fast view about how to do that. . ,, , ., hard and fast view about how to do that. . ~ , ., we hard and fast view about how to do that-_ we will _ hard and fast view about how to do that._ we will be - hard and fast view about how to do l that._ we will be updating that. thank you. we will be updating later this year- _ that. thank you. we will be updating later this year. thank _ that. thank you. we will be updating later this year. thank you. _ that. thank you. we will be updating later this year. thank you. good - later this year. thank you. good afternoon. _ later this year. thank you. good afternoon, prime _ later this year. thank you. good afternoon, prime minister. - later this year. thank you. good afternoon, prime minister. canl later this year. thank you. good | afternoon, prime minister. can i just checked, in one of the answers there you said the business secretary had written to the parliamentary commissioner for standards, apologising. that's excellent. as i understand it, you are saying that—cam lord geidt...

the letter involved collaboration between — the letter involved collaboration between myself and lord geidt. you told the between myself and lord geidt. gm. told the business secretary to apologise?— told the business secretary to aoloaise? . , . . , apologise? that is a matter between me and the business _ apologise? that is a matter between me and the business secretary. - apologise? that is a matter between me and the business secretary. you | me and the business secretary. you are not telling _ me and the business secretary. gm. are not telling us whether you did or didn't because some of us might gently suggest to you that we were surprised the business secretary would freelance when he went on the air. one presumes you asked him to go on the air. air. one presumes you asked him to go on the air-— go on the air. that is obviously not riuht. i go on the air. that is obviously not right- ldidn't_ go on the air. that is obviously not right. i didn't do _ go on the air. that is obviously not right. i didn't do that. _ go on the air. that is obviously not right. | didn't do that. did - go on the air. that is obviously not right. i didn't do that. did you - right. i didn't do that. did you know in advance _ right. i didn't do that. did you know in advance he _ right. i didn't do that. did you know in advance he was - right. i didn't do that. did youj know in advance he was going right. i didn't do that. did you i know in advance he was going to right. i didn't do that. did you - know in advance he was going to do that? , ., . ., ., , that? just to clear the matter up, because we _ that? just to clear the matter up, because we don't _ that? just to clear the matter up, because we don't want _ that? just to clear the matter up, because we don't want to - that? just to clear the matter up, because we don't want to leave . that? just to clear the matter up, i because we don't want to leave any ambiguity—

because we don't want to leave any ambiguity for the committee, i certainly— ambiguity for the committee, i certainly thought it was appropriate for the _ certainly thought it was appropriate for the business secretary to write in the _ for the business secretary to write in the way — for the business secretary to write in the way that he did and supported him in _ in the way that he did and supported him in that — in the way that he did and supported him in that. gk. in the way that he did and supported him in that. �* , . in the way that he did and supported him in that-— him in that. ok. and why is the list of ministerial _ him in that. ok. and why is the list of ministerial interests _ of ministerial interests only published twice a year? because most of every year it's not even an accurate list of ministers, let alone their interests? the accurate list of ministers, let alone their interests? the list of ministerial _ alone their interests? the list of ministerial interest _ alone their interests? the list of ministerial interest as _ alone their interests? the list of ministerial interest as they - alone their interests? the list of ministerial interest as they are l alone their interests? the list of| ministerial interest as they are to be consulted and insofar as members also serve _ be consulted and insofar as members also serve as mps, which of course they do. _ also serve as mps, which of course they do, then parliamentary interests need to be updated at regular— interests need to be updated at regular intervals. the commons roduces regular intervals. the commons produces a _ regular intervals. the commons produces a rolling _ regular intervals. the commons produces a rolling register- regular intervals. the commons| produces a rolling register every fortnight and you can see the whole of the house of commons on a single document, but the government tax all the details for ministers away in

232 separate documents online. that isn't really transparency, is it? i disagree — isn't really transparency, is it? i disagree. mps or ministers, and that's— disagree. mps or ministers, and that's the — disagree. mps or ministers, and that's the majority of ministers, have _ that's the majority of ministers, have to — that's the majority of ministers, have to register all their interests in the _ have to register all their interests in the parliamentary register. gk, in the parliamentary register. ok, so let me give _ in the parliamentary register. ok, so let me give you _ in the parliamentary register. (iii, so let me give you an in the parliamentary register. ok, so let me give you an example. if two mps are sitting next to each other in a box, being wined and dined by some industry body, one was a backbench mp on the other was a government minister, the backbench mp would have to register with us with house of commons within 28 days would have to give details of the amount it cost, but the minister wouldn't have to register the amount of money it cost ever in the registration would only appear six months later. that's just unfair, isn't it, shouldn't there be one rule for everybody? i isn't it, shouldn't there be one rule for everybody?— isn't it, shouldn't there be one rule for everybody? i think what you

let, i'm rule for everybody? i think what you get. l'm sure _ rule for everybody? i think what you get, i'm sure most _ rule for everybody? i think what you get, i'm sure most mps _ rule for everybody? i think what you get, i'm sure most mps would - get, i'm sure most mps would register— get, i'm sure most mps would register their interest if they had been _ register their interest if they had been taken out to dinner, they would register— been taken out to dinner, they would register their interests. so you think ministers _ register their interests. so you think ministers should? - register their interests. so you think ministers should? the i register their interests. so you - think ministers should? the system we have is the _ think ministers should? the system we have is the one _ think ministers should? the system we have is the one i _ think ministers should? the system we have is the one i inherited - think ministers should? the system we have is the one i inherited and i we have is the one i inherited and it seems— we have is the one i inherited and it seems to — we have is the one i inherited and it seems to work pretty well. but if you have _ it seems to work pretty well. but if you have recommendations to improve it, you have recommendations to improve it. then _ you have recommendations to improve it. then in _ you have recommendations to improve it, then i'm sure that the house would _ it, then i'm sure that the house would be — it, then i'm sure that the house would be interested to see them. excellent. — would be interested to see them. excellent, thank you. can ijust ask you because i don't quite understand, do you think that owen paterson was guilty or not? i understand, do you think that owen paterson was guilty or not?- paterson was guilty or not? i think it was a very _ paterson was guilty or not? i think it was a very sad _ paterson was guilty or not? i think it was a very sad case, _ paterson was guilty or not? i think it was a very sad case, but - paterson was guilty or not? i think it was a very sad case, but i - paterson was guilty or not? i think it was a very sad case, but i thinkl it was a very sad case, but i think there _ it was a very sad case, but i think there is— it was a very sad case, but i think there is no— it was a very sad case, but i think there is no question that he had fallen— there is no question that he had fallen foul of the rules on paid advocacy, _ fallen foul of the rules on paid advocacy, as far as i could see from the report — advocacy, as far as i could see from the report i— advocacy, as far as i could see from the report. ithink advocacy, as far as i could see from the report. i think the question people — the report. i think the question people wanted to establish was whether— people wanted to establish was whether or not, given the particularly tragic circumstances, he had _

particularly tragic circumstances, he had had the fair right to appeal. he had _ he had had the fair right to appeal. he had an — he had had the fair right to appeal. he had an appeal. his appeal was heard endlessly by the committee. i heard endlessly by the committee. i wish to restate that informing the impression that the member for north shropshire _ impression that the member for north shropshire had not had a fair process, _ shropshire had not had a fair process, i_ shropshire had not had a fair process, i may well have been mistaken _ process, i may well have been mistaken —— a former member. that was certainly — mistaken —— a former member. that was certainly the impression that nrany— was certainly the impression that many sick— was certainly the impression that many sick people seem to have. theresa — many sick people seem to have. theresa may said yesterday that your actions over this case were misplaced, illjudged and just plain wrong. misplaced, ill 'udged and 'ust plain wronu. ~' �* misplaced, ill 'udged and 'ust plain wronu. ~ �* wrong. look, ithink i've said several times _ wrong. look, ithink i've said several times now _ wrong. look, ithink i've said several times now that - wrong. look, ithink i've said several times now that i - wrong. look, ithink i've said several times now that i do l wrong. look, i think i've said - several times now that i do think it was a _ several times now that i do think it was a mistake to conflate, as we did, those — was a mistake to conflate, as we did, those two things, a particularly difficult case, it's not often in our house of commons we

are a colleague suffers a family bereavement in the course of an investigation. there was quite a lot of feeling _ investigation. there was quite a lot of feeling about it and, for that reason, — of feeling about it and, for that reason, in _ of feeling about it and, for that reason, in a spirit of compassion, i thought— reason, in a spirit of compassion, i thought it — reason, in a spirit of compassion, i thought it might be useful to see whether— thought it might be useful to see whether there was any cross—party support~ _ whether there was any cross—party support. but whether there was any cross-party su ort. �* , ., �* whether there was any cross-party su--ort.�* �* support. but you didn't approach cross-party _ support. but you didn't approach cross-party at — support. but you didn't approach cross-party at all. _ support. but you didn't approach cross-party at all. you _ support. but you didn't approach cross-party at all. you told - support. but you didn't approach cross-party at all. you told john | cross—party at all. you told john whittingdale it was a cross—party agreement to set up this committee, but that wasn't the case, was it? so it would seem. why _ but that wasn't the case, was it? so it would seem. why did _ but that wasn't the case, was it? so it would seem. why did you - but that wasn't the case, was it? so it would seem. why did you tell- but that wasn't the case, was it? so it would seem. why did you tell him that? i it would seem. why did you tell him that? i can't — it would seem. why did you tell him that? i can't comment _ it would seem. why did you tell him that? i can't comment on _ it would seem. why did you tell him that? i can't comment on that - that? i can't comment on that conversation _ that? i can't comment on that conversation since _ that? i can't comment on that conversation since i _ that? i can't comment on that conversation since i didn't - that? i can't comment on that. conversation since i didn't have that? i can't comment on that - conversation since i didn't have it, but what _ conversation since i didn't have it, but what i — conversation since i didn't have it, but what i can say is that i believed _ but what i can say is that i believed that there would be cross—party support for the idea... how— cross—party support for the idea... how did _ cross—party support for the idea... how did you — cross—party support for the idea... how did you believe this? you came up how did you believe this? you came up with it in your head? it was put

to me... by who? br; up with it in your head? it was put to me... by who?— up with it in your head? it was put to me... by who? by colleagues. i was fortified _ to me... by who? by colleagues. i was fortified in _ to me... by who? by colleagues. i was fortified in this _ to me... by who? by colleagues. i was fortified in this by _ to me... by who? by colleagues. i was fortified in this by the - was fortified in this by the reflection that many people would have felt _ reflection that many people would have felt that this was a particularly difficult and sad case and many— particularly difficult and sad case and many people across the house would _ and many people across the house would have felt a degree of sympathy for the _ would have felt a degree of sympathy for the member for shropshire north and those _ for the member for shropshire north and those particular circumstances, so it might — and those particular circumstances, so it might have been possible to consider— so it might have been possible to consider whether the process was capable _ consider whether the process was capable of— consider whether the process was capable of improvement. i'm very willing _ capable of improvement. i'm very willing to — capable of improvement. i'm very willing to accept that i was mistaken and that belief. the roblem mistaken and that belief. the problem is — mistaken and that belief. the problem is that _ mistaken and that belief. tie: problem is that you see the country is not corrupt. but what owen paterson did was a corrupt practice —— the government is not corrupt. it

is a corrupt practice. the danger is that you have tarred the whole of the house with the same brush, and yourself, haven't you? if the house with the same brush, and yourself, haven't you?— yourself, haven't you? if you will recall what _ yourself, haven't you? if you will recall what i _ yourself, haven't you? if you will recall what i said _ yourself, haven't you? if you will recall what i said at _ yourself, haven't you? if you will recall what i said at prime - recall what i said at prime minister's questions on that wednesday, i began by saying that paid advocacy is... and lobbying is against _ paid advocacy is... and lobbying is against the — paid advocacy is... and lobbying is against the rules. anybody who does that should be properly penalised. that was— that should be properly penalised. that was how i began. so the genuine intention— that was how i began. so the genuine intention was not to exonerate anybody. — intention was not to exonerate anybody, the intention was to see whether— anybody, the intention was to see whether there was some way in which on a cross—party basis we could improve — on a cross—party basis we could improve the system. in retrospect, it was— improve the system. in retrospect, it was obviously mistaken to think that we _ it was obviously mistaken to think that we could conflate the two things — that we could conflate the two things and do i regret that decision, yes i certainly do.

looking _ decision, yes i certainly do. looking forward, you will accept the recommendations— looking forward, you will accept the recommendations across _ looking forward, you will accept the recommendations across parties - looking forward, you will accept the| recommendations across parties that have consensus? _ recommendations across parties that have consensus? the _ recommendations across parties that have consensus? the government i recommendations across parties thati have consensus? the government will facilitate _ have consensus? the government will facilitate the _ have consensus? the government will facilitate the implementation - have consensus? the government will facilitate the implementation of - facilitate the implementation of those _ facilitate the implementation of those changes? _ facilitate the implementation of those changes?— facilitate the implementation of those changes? which changes? whichever changes _ those changes? which changes? whichever changes the - those changes? which changes? i whichever changes the committee comes— whichever changes the committee comes up— whichever changes the committee comes up with. _ whichever changes the committee comes up with, agreed _ whichever changes the committee comes up with, agreed to - whichever changes the committee comes up with, agreed to by- whichever changes the committee comes up with, agreed to by the l comes up with, agreed to by the parties? — comes up with, agreed to by the parties? l— comes up with, agreed to by the arties? ~ comes up with, agreed to by the arties? ,, . comes up with, agreed to by the arties? ~ . . parties? i think what we are saying- -- — parties? i think what we are saying- -- are _ parties? i think what we are saying... are you _ parties? i think what we are saying... are you talking i parties? i think what we are i saying... are you talking about changes — saying... are you talking about changes to _ saying... are you talking about changes to the standards system? indeed _ changes to the standards system? indeed. gf changes to the standards system? indeed. . ., , changes to the standards system? indeed. _, , . .,, changes to the standards system? indeed. , . . indeed. of course, and i hope that there can be _ indeed. of course, and i hope that there can be cross-party _ indeed. of course, and i hope that there can be cross-party progress| indeed. of course, and i hope that i there can be cross-party progress on there can be cross—party progress on that _ there can be cross—party progress on that but _ there can be cross—party progress on that but i _ there can be cross—party progress on that. but i further hope that there can be _ that. but i further hope that there can be cross—party progress whether any standards committee or in some other— any standards committee or in some other cross—party body of house only issues _ other cross—party body of house only issues that _ other cross—party body of house only issues that i— other cross—party body of house only issues that i described earlier in the house. _ issues that i described earlier in the house, relating to the conditions and the stipulations

under— conditions and the stipulations under which we serve and we are able to have _ under which we serve and we are able to have outside trades, callings and professions and so on. which the independent committee has said is of use to _ independent committee has said is of use to the _ independent committee has said is of use to the house. | independent committee has said is of use to the house.— independent committee has said is of use to the house. i have sympathy as both committees _ use to the house. i have sympathy as both committees came _ use to the house. i have sympathy as both committees came up _ use to the house. i have sympathy as both committees came up with - use to the house. i have sympathy as both committees came up with the i both committees came up with the same _ both committees came up with the same conclusion. _ both committees came up with the same conclusion. i— both committees came up with the same conclusion. i still— both committees came up with the same conclusion. i still don't i same conclusion. i still don't understand _ same conclusion. i still don't understand the _ same conclusion. i still don't understand the objection i same conclusion. i still don'tj understand the objection you same conclusion. i still don't - understand the objection you have, where _ understand the objection you have, where you — understand the objection you have, where you say— understand the objection you have, where you say you _ understand the objection you have, where you say you will _ understand the objection you have, where you say you will almost i understand the objection you have, i where you say you will almost always accept _ where you say you will almost always accept his _ where you say you will almost always accept his recommendations - where you say you will almost always accept his recommendations to i where you say you will almost always accept his recommendations to have| accept his recommendations to have investigation — accept his recommendations to have investigation. now— accept his recommendations to have investigation. now that _ accept his recommendations to have investigation. now that you - accept his recommendations to have investigation. now that you are i investigation. now that you are going _ investigation. now that you are going to — investigation. now that you are going to be _ investigation. now that you are going to be encouraged - investigation. now that you are going to be encouraged to i investigation. now that you are going to be encouraged to takej going to be encouraged to take control— going to be encouraged to take control of— going to be encouraged to take control of the _ going to be encouraged to take control of the sanctions - going to be encouraged to take control of the sanctions and i control of the sanctions and mitigate _ control of the sanctions and mitigate the _ control of the sanctions and mitigate the sanctions, i control of the sanctions and l mitigate the sanctions, what control of the sanctions and i mitigate the sanctions, what is control of the sanctions and - mitigate the sanctions, what is the objection? — mitigate the sanctions, what is the objection? in— mitigate the sanctions, what is the objection? in allowing _ objection? in allowing the independent _ objection? in allowing the independent adviser- objection? in allowing the independent adviser to i objection? in allowing the - independent adviser to instigate their own — independent adviser to instigate their own enquiries, _

independent adviser to instigate their own enquiries, i— independent adviser to instigate their own enquiries, i don't i their own enquiries, i don't understand _ their own enquiries, i don't understand it? _ their own enquiries, i don't understand it? so - their own enquiries, i don't understand it?— their own enquiries, i don't understand it? . ., , understand it? so what lord geidt can certainly _ understand it? so what lord geidt can certainly do _ understand it? so what lord geidt can certainly do under— understand it? so what lord geidt can certainly do under the - understand it? so what lord geidt can certainly do under the new i can certainly do under the new dispensation that we have agreed is that he _ dispensation that we have agreed is that he can — dispensation that we have agreed is that he can suggest to me at his own~~~ _ that he can suggest to me at his own... . . . ,. . , own... under what circumstances would he want _ own... under what circumstances would he want to _ own... under what circumstances would he want to veto _ own... under what circumstances would he want to veto that? - would he want to veto that? something _ would he want to veto that? something that _ would he want to veto that? something that needs - would he want to veto that? something that needs to i would he want to veto that? something that needs to be| would he want to veto that? - something that needs to be corrected or has_ something that needs to be corrected or has gone _ something that needs to be corrected or has gone wrong. as i think it said _ or has gone wrong. as i think it said in— or has gone wrong. as i think it said in my— or has gone wrong. as i think it said in my opening answer, it's hard to think_ said in my opening answer, it's hard to think of— said in my opening answer, it's hard to think of the circumstances in which _ to think of the circumstances in which i — to think of the circumstances in which i would want to overrule him. well, _ which i would want to overrule him. well, i_ which i would want to overrule him. well, i can'i— which i would want to overrule him. well, i can't imagine any other either. — well, i can't imagine any other either. so _ well, ican't imagine any other either. so why— well, i can't imagine any other either, so why not _ well, i can't imagine any other either, so why not give - well, i can't imagine any other either, so why not give him - well, i can't imagine any other| either, so why not give him the power? — either, so why not give him the power? i— either, so why not give him the ower? ~' , ., , either, so why not give him the ower? ~ , .,, , power? i think people can see the balance of the _ power? i think people can see the balance of the situations - power? i think people can see the balance of the situations are - power? i think people can see the balance of the situations are well| balance of the situations are well judged _ balance of the situations are well judged ih — balance of the situations are well judged in the moment.— balance of the situations are well judged in the moment. thank you. can i 'ust clari judged in the moment. thank you. can ijust clarify quickly _ judged in the moment. thank you. can i just clarify quickly some _ judged in the moment. thank you. can i just clarify quickly some of— judged in the moment. thank you. can i just clarify quickly some of the - i just clarify quickly some of the responses you have just given to the

previous speakers. this is an area where we really need clarity and given your important role, you used a slightly odd form of words. you said it is a mistake to conflate the sad and difficult case of a colleague who has fallen foul of the commissioner on standards. could you clarify, do you believe that owen paterson broke the rules? yes clarify, do you believe that owen paterson broke the rules? yes or no? yes. at paterson broke the rules? yes or no? yes- at least. — paterson broke the rules? yes or no? yes. at least, that _ paterson broke the rules? yes or no? yes. at least, that seems _ paterson broke the rules? yes or no? yes. at least, that seems to - paterson broke the rules? yes or no? yes. at least, that seems to me... i yes. at least, that seems to me... yes, _ yes. at least, that seems to me... yes. i_ yes. at least, that seems to me... yes. i d0~ — yes. at least, that seems to me... yes, i do. and... as i said at the beginning— yes, i do. and... as i said at the beginning of— yes, i do. and... as i said at the beginning of prime minister's questions two weeks ago, we did not seek to _ questions two weeks ago, we did not seek to in _ questions two weeks ago, we did not seek to in any way minimise the importance of that. people who break the rules_ importance of that. people who break the rules on_ importance of that. people who break the rules on paid advocacy must pay the rules on paid advocacy must pay the price _ the rules on paid advocacy must pay the rice. ., �* . the rules on paid advocacy must pay the rice. ., �* , . , the price. you're still qualifying, sa in: it the price. you're still qualifying, saying it seems _ the price. you're still qualifying, saying it seems to _ the price. you're still qualifying, saying it seems to me. - the price. you're still qualifying, saying it seems to me. do - the price. you're still qualifying, saying it seems to me. do you l saying it seems to me. do you recognise that given your responsibility to uphold the

ministerial code, to uphold the rules, uphold the standards, it's really important that you should not give any impression that when there is an independent report that found on ia occasions of paid lobbying that somehow you think that that's ok. can you clarify you don't think it's ok? fit 0k. can you clarify you don't think it's ok? . ., , 0k. can you clarify you don't think it's ok? _, , ., �* ., .,, it's ok? of course i don't. that was the first thing _ it's ok? of course i don't. that was the first thing i— it's ok? of course i don't. that was the first thing i said _ it's ok? of course i don't. that was the first thing i said when _ it's ok? of course i don't. that was the first thing i said when i - it's ok? of course i don't. that was the first thing i said when i began l the first thing i said when i began on the _ the first thing i said when i began on the subject two weeks ago. frankly. — on the subject two weeks ago. frankly. i— on the subject two weeks ago. frankly, i think it is extraordinary that colleagues sometimes do behave in this— that colleagues sometimes do behave in this way _ that colleagues sometimes do behave in this way. and it is quite right that— in this way. and it is quite right that the — in this way. and it is quite right that the commissioner is able to investigate and hold them to account _ investigate and hold them to account. we sought to do, and i think— account. we sought to do, and i think the — account. we sought to do, and i think the committee will agree that i think the committee will agree that i have _ think the committee will agree that i have accepted that it was a mistake _ i have accepted that it was a mistake and that it was my mistake, all we _ mistake and that it was my mistake, all we wanted to do was to see

whether— all we wanted to do was to see whether in view of the particular and, _ whether in view of the particular and, frankly, tragic circumstances of the _ and, frankly, tragic circumstances of the case, — and, frankly, tragic circumstances of the case, there was any scope for cross-party — of the case, there was any scope for cross—party agreement on an appeals process _ cross—party agreement on an appeals process. that was all we were trying to d0~ _ process. that was all we were trying to do. �* . , ., process. that was all we were trying to do. �* . . process. that was all we were trying todo. �* . . to do. and given that you have said that ou to do. and given that you have said that you did — to do. and given that you have said that you did ask _ to do. and given that you have said that you did ask the _ to do. and given that you have said that you did ask the business - that you did ask the business secretary to apologise, the cabinet office secretary has also apologised, would you express your own regret for not having said three weeks ago that owen paterson broke the rules which would have provided clarity about the standards that you expect to be upheld? i clarity about the standards that you expect to be upheld?— expect to be upheld? i began two weeks ago. _ expect to be upheld? i began two weeks ago. i— expect to be upheld? i began two weeks ago, i think— expect to be upheld? i began two weeks ago, i think it _ expect to be upheld? i began two weeks ago, i think it was, - expect to be upheld? i began two weeks ago, i think it was, by - expect to be upheld? i began two l weeks ago, i think it was, by saying that those _ weeks ago, i think it was, by saying that those who broke the rules should — that those who broke the rules should pay a price. the that those who broke the rules should pay a price.— that those who broke the rules should pay a price. the issue is whether you — should pay a price. the issue is whether you said _ should pay a price. the issue is whether you said three - should pay a price. the issue is whether you said three weeks i should pay a price. the issue is - whether you said three weeks ago. in retrospect, it might have helped a bit if i'd said that i believed owen had broken the rules and fat ——

insofar as i can see. had broken the rules and fat -- insofar as i can see.— had broken the rules and fat -- insofar as i can see. you have an independent _ insofar as i can see. you have an independent process. _ insofar as i can see. you have an independent process. you - insofar as i can see. you have an independent process. you try - insofar as i can see. you have an independent process. you try to | independent process. you try to auali it independent process. you try to qualify it and — independent process. you try to qualify it and are _ independent process. you try to qualify it and are seeming - independent process. you try to qualify it and are seeming to - qualify it and are seeming to undermine this process. we need you to be able to uphold the standards. it was clear to me that he had broken — it was clear to me that he had broken the rules, he had fallen foul of the _ broken the rules, he had fallen foul of the rotes— broken the rules, he had fallen foul of the roles that we had in parliament and what i made clear at the outset _ parliament and what i made clear at the outset of my statement was in my first answer _ the outset of my statement was in my first answer in prime minister's questions. for me, that's something that deserves punishment. my question— that deserves punishment. my question was, in all humility, given the particular circumstances of the case: _ the particular circumstances of the case, whether there was any cross—party support for improvement to the _ cross—party support for improvement to the system. that was what we were trying _ to the system. that was what we were trying to _ to the system. that was what we were trying to achieve. i can now see

that— trying to achieve. i can now see that that — trying to achieve. i can now see that that was a mistake. i also think— that that was a mistake. i also think it — that that was a mistake. i also think it was a mistake not to go ahead _ think it was a mistake not to go ahead with the 2018 report of the independent committee on is the is independent committee on is the is in public— independent committee on is the is in public life and i think the house shoutd _ in public life and i think the house should have implemented those conclusions as well. and should have implemented those conclusions as well.— should have implemented those conclusions as well. and do you also acce -t conclusions as well. and do you also accept that — conclusions as well. and do you also accept that with _ conclusions as well. and do you also accept that with all _ conclusions as well. and do you also accept that with all the _ accept that with all the prevaricating, with all the attempting to still be defensive about the things that actually everybody expects that you got wrong, that whether it is reluctance... wrong, that whether it is reluctance. . ._ wrong, that whether it is reluctance... ., , . reluctance... i'm not prevaricating. it sounds reluctance... i'm not prevaricating. it sounds a — reluctance... i'm not prevaricating. it sounds a lot _ reluctance... i'm not prevaricating. it sounds a lot like _ it sounds a lot like prevarication. there is a whole series of things that creates an impression is very unfortunate and is very damaging to public life, whether it is not wearing a mask in hospital... whether it is defending colleagues who have broken rules, do you accept that you have a responsibility to go

further than everyone should expect and to establish much hired standards? i and to establish much hired standards?— and to establish much hired standards? ., . ~ , ., standards? i do. look, thank you. yes, i standards? i do. look, thank you. yes. ithink— standards? i do. look, thank you. yes. i think it _ standards? i do. look, thank you. yes, i think it was _ standards? i do. look, thank you. yes, i think it was a _ standards? i do. look, thank you. yes, i think it was a total- standards? i do. look, thank you. yes, i think it was a total mistake | yes, i think it was a total mistake not to— yes, i think it was a total mistake not to see — yes, i think it was a total mistake not to see that owen paterson's breach _ not to see that owen paterson's breach of— not to see that owen paterson's breach of the rules, the former member— breach of the rules, the former member for north shropshire's breach of the _ member for north shropshire's breach of the rules _ member for north shropshire's breach of the rules. i totally accept that, totally _ of the rules. i totally accept that, totally accept that. as for not wearing — totally accept that. as for not wearing a _ totally accept that. as for not wearing a mask in hexham hospital, which _ wearing a mask in hexham hospital, which you _ wearing a mask in hexham hospital, which you wrap up into my general titurgy— which you wrap up into my general liturgy and — which you wrap up into my general liturgy and crime, can ijust say that— liturgy and crime, can ijust say that actually there is barely 30 seconds — that actually there is barely 30 seconds when i wasn't meaning —— wasn't _ seconds when i wasn't meaning —— wasn't wearing a mask. i walked out of a room _ wasn't wearing a mask. i walked out of a room mistakenly not wearing it and i_ of a room mistakenly not wearing it and i put _ of a room mistakenly not wearing it and i put it — of a room mistakenly not wearing it and i put it on as soon as i made my mistake _ and i put it on as soon as i made my mistake i_ and i put it on as soon as i made my mistake. i apologise for it. and

most _ mistake. i apologise for it. and most pictures of my visit to the hospital— most pictures of my visit to the hospital will show that i was duly masked — hospital will show that i was duly masked throughout the remainder of the visit _ masked throughout the remainder of the visit i_ masked throughout the remainder of the visit. i was masked on the way in. the visit. i was masked on the way in thank— the visit. i was masked on the way in thank you _ the visit. i was masked on the way in. thank you for giving me the opportunity to clear that up. let me briefl ask opportunity to clear that up. let me briefly ask you _ opportunity to clear that up. let me briefly ask you around _ opportunity to clear that up. let me briefly ask you around the _ opportunity to clear that up. let me briefly ask you around the issue - opportunity to clear that up. let me briefly ask you around the issue of i briefly ask you around the issue of women and girls. less than 2% of reported rapes are prosecuted. you have said it will be hard to meet targets, even though it is only ii%. why is that, when it is such a shocking crime, why are we effectively letting 99% of rapists off and letting so many victims down? ~ . v off and letting so many victims down? ~ . �* . . off and letting so many victims down? . �*, . . _ down? well, that's an incredibly im ortant down? well, that's an incredibly important question _ down? well, that's an incredibly important question and - down? well, that's an incredibly i important question and something that i_ important question and something that i am _ important question and something that i am campaigning on working flat

that i am campaigning on working fiat out— that i am campaigning on working flat out now in government, leading the crime _ flat out now in government, leading the crime and justice task force, our number— the crime and justice task force, our number one priority. you ask why it is so— our number one priority. you ask why it is so difficult, there are many reasons— it is so difficult, there are many reasons but as you will recall there was a _ reasons but as you will recall there was a particular case in 2018 in which — was a particular case in 2018 in which the — was a particular case in 2018 in which the evidence from a mobile phone _ which the evidence from a mobile phone was— which the evidence from a mobile phone was used by the defence to exonerate — phone was used by the defence to exonerate an alleged perpetrator of rape and _ exonerate an alleged perpetrator of rape and since then i'm afraid there has been _ rape and since then i'm afraid there has been a — rape and since then i'm afraid there has been a huge reliance on mobile phone _ has been a huge reliance on mobile phone data — has been a huge reliance on mobile phone data by defence counsel. this is an important point. i will tell you what— is an important point. i will tell you what we're doing about it. you said it is your— you what we're doing about it. ym. said it is your top priority for police officers but you have refused to put it in the strategic policing requirement, including child export to and organised crime. will you review this and if this is your top

priority, will you put it into the strategic policing requirement and make it a requirement? irate strategic policing requirement and make it a requirement?— strategic policing requirement and make it a requirement? we are making at the top priority _ make it a requirement? we are making at the top priority for _ make it a requirement? we are making at the top priority for our _ make it a requirement? we are making at the top priority for our police. - at the top priority for our police. the deputy chief constable has taken over the _ the deputy chief constable has taken over the lead for it. we are insisting _ over the lead for it. we are insisting that mobile phones are handed — insisting that mobile phones are handed back to victims within 24 hours. _ handed back to victims within 24 hours. this— handed back to victims within 24 hours, this is one of the reasons we have _ hours, this is one of the reasons we have such _ hours, this is one of the reasons we have such low prosecution rates because — have such low prosecution rates because victims don't feel confident in the _ because victims don't feel confident in the system. we are going ahead with allowing victims to prerecord their evidence, to give them more confidence, — their evidence, to give them more confidence, under section 28. we are putting _ confidence, under section 28. we are putting a _ confidence, under section 28. we are putting a tot — confidence, under section 28. we are putting a lot of money into independent advisers so they can help victims through the difficult period _ help victims through the difficult period of— help victims through the difficult period of the trial and again to stop— period of the trial and again to stop this —

period of the trial and again to stop this attrition by victims of victims — stop this attrition by victims of victims -- _ stop this attrition by victims of victims —— and we are also investigating in other prosecutors. do you _ investigating in other prosecutors. do you believe there is a ladder of offending — do you believe there is a ladder of offending when _ do you believe there is a ladder of offending when it _ do you believe there is a ladder of offending when it comes - do you believe there is a ladder of offending when it comes to - do you believe there is a ladder of. offending when it comes to violence against _ offending when it comes to violence against women _ offending when it comes to violence against women and _ offending when it comes to violence against women and girls _ offending when it comes to violence against women and girls and - offending when it comes to violence against women and girls and those. against women and girls and those who might — against women and girls and those who might perpetrate _ against women and girls and those who might perpetrate crimes - against women and girls and those who might perpetrate crimes like i who might perpetrate crimes like indecent — who might perpetrate crimes like indecent exposure _ who might perpetrate crimes like indecent exposure then - who might perpetrate crimes like indecent exposure then move - who might perpetrate crimes like indecent exposure then move on| who might perpetrate crimes like . indecent exposure then move on to more _ indecent exposure then move on to more serious — indecent exposure then move on to more serious crimes _ indecent exposure then move on to more serious crimes like _ indecent exposure then move on to more serious crimes like rape, - more serious crimes like rape, kidnap. — more serious crimes like rape, kidnap. murder? _ more serious crimes like rape, kidnap, murder?— more serious crimes like rape, kidnap, murder? thank you. i do believe there _ kidnap, murder? thank you. i do believe there is _ kidnap, murder? thank you. i do believe there is evidence - kidnap, murder? thank you. i do believe there is evidence to - kidnap, murder? thank you. i do i believe there is evidence to support that. believe there is evidence to support that and _ believe there is evidence to support that and if— believe there is evidence to support that. and if you look in particular at the _ that. and if you look in particular at the case — that. and if you look in particular at the case of wayne couzens, that was something that frankly should have been picked up and that is unquestionably going to form part of the investigation into what went wrong _ the investigation into what went wrong in — the investigation into what went wrong in that case.— the investigation into what went wrong in that case. could also then be a case to _ wrong in that case. could also then be a case to make _ wrong in that case. could also then be a case to make crimes - wrong in that case. could also then be a case to make crimes like - wrong in that case. could also then | be a case to make crimes like public sexual— be a case to make crimes like public sexual harassment _ be a case to make crimes like public sexual harassment a _ be a case to make crimes like public sexual harassment a specific - be a case to make crimes like public sexual harassment a specific crime, | sexual harassment a specific crime, perhaps— sexual harassment a specific crime, perhaps through _ sexual harassment a specific crime, perhaps through passage _ sexual harassment a specific crime, perhaps through passage of- sexual harassment a specific crime, perhaps through passage of the - sexual harassment a specific crime, perhaps through passage of the pci perhaps through passage of the pc se, perhaps through passage of the pc se. which — perhaps through passage of the pc se. which witt—

perhaps through passage of the pc se, which will come _ perhaps through passage of the pc se, which will come back- perhaps through passage of the pc se, which will come back to - perhaps through passage of the pc se, which will come back to the i se, which will come back to the commons — se, which will come back to the commons soon? _ se, which will come back to the commons soon?— se, which will come back to the commons soon? ~ . ., commons soon? well, we have quite on a statute of one — commons soon? well, we have quite on a statute of one kind _ commons soon? well, we have quite on a statute of one kind of— commons soon? well, we have quite on a statute of one kind of another- commons soon? well, we have quite on a statute of one kind of another -- - a statute of one kind of another —— or another— a statute of one kind of another —— or another against serious assaults, sexual— or another against serious assaults, sexual violence and rape and, as yvette _ sexual violence and rape and, as yvette cooper has just sexual violence and rape and, as yvette cooper hasjust been sexual violence and rape and, as yvette cooper has just been saying, the tragedy at the moment is we are not -- _ the tragedy at the moment is we are not -- and _ the tragedy at the moment is we are not —— and harassment, the tragedy as we _ not —— and harassment, the tragedy as we are _ not —— and harassment, the tragedy as we are not — not —— and harassment, the tragedy as we are not enforcing these enough as we are not enforcing these enough as it is _ as we are not enforcing these enough as it is i_ as we are not enforcing these enough as it is i have — as we are not enforcing these enough as it is. i have to think about how realty— as it is. i have to think about how really to— as it is. i have to think about how really to tackle the crimes that the public _ really to tackle the crimes that the public want tackled, rather than widening — public want tackled, rather than widening the range of human conduct that we _ widening the range of human conduct that we ask— widening the range of human conduct that we ask the police to criminalise and enforce against. and why want— criminalise and enforce against. and why want to — criminalise and enforce against. and why want to see is proper enforcement of the existing law and, as yvette _ enforcement of the existing law and, as yvette cooper was saying, prosecution, much more prosecution, for those _ prosecution, much more prosecution, for those who are accused of rape.

at the _ for those who are accused of rape. at the moment, that's where the numbers— at the moment, that's where the numbers are getting wrong. having a trade there numbers are getting wrong. having a grade there is _ numbers are getting wrong. having a grade there is a _ numbers are getting wrong. having a grade there is a ladder— numbers are getting wrong. having a grade there is a ladder of— grade there is a ladder of offending. _ grade there is a ladder of offending, should - grade there is a ladder of offending, should there i grade there is a ladder of. offending, should there not grade there is a ladder of- offending, should there not be a plan agreed _ offending, should there not be a plan agreed earlier? _ offending, should there not be a plan agreed earlier? [— offending, should there not be a plan agreed earlier?— offending, should there not be a plan agreed earlier? i think what we need to do is _ plan agreed earlier? i think what we need to do is rather— plan agreed earlier? i think what we need to do is rather than _ plan agreed earlier? i think what we need to do is rather than expand - plan agreed earlier? i think what we | need to do is rather than expand the sphere _ need to do is rather than expand the sphere of— need to do is rather than expand the sphere of activity that we criminalise, we need to prosecute peopte _ criminalise, we need to prosecute people more effectively for the things— people more effectively for the things that are already criminal and there _ things that are already criminal and there is— things that are already criminal and there is abundance of statute that is not _ there is abundance of statute that is not now — there is abundance of statute that is not now being properly enforced and that— is not now being properly enforced and that is— is not now being properly enforced and that is what we are putting our investment— and that is what we are putting our investment into.— and that is what we are putting our investment into. baroness new love has an amendment _ investment into. baroness new love has an amendment down _ investment into. baroness new love has an amendment down to - investment into. baroness new love has an amendment down to the - investment into. baroness new love has an amendment down to the bill| has an amendment down to the bill that would — has an amendment down to the bill that would make _ has an amendment down to the bill that would make misogyny- has an amendment down to the bill that would make misogyny a - has an amendment down to the bill that would make misogyny a hate l that would make misogyny a hate crime _ that would make misogyny a hate crime do— that would make misogyny a hate crime do you _ that would make misogyny a hate crime. do you have _ that would make misogyny a hate crime. do you have any— that would make misogyny a hate crime. do you have any views - that would make misogyny a hate crime. do you have any views on| that would make misogyny a hate i crime. do you have any views on the progress _ crime. do you have any views on the progress made — crime. do you have any views on the progress made in _ crime. do you have any views on the progress made in encouraging - crime. do you have any views on the i progress made in encouraging women to come _ progress made in encouraging women to come forward — progress made in encouraging women to come forward and _ progress made in encouraging women to come forward and 75% _ progress made in encouraging women to come forward and 75% of _ progress made in encouraging women to come forward and 75% of them - progress made in encouraging women to come forward and 75% of them in l to come forward and 75% of them in nottinghamshire _ to come forward and 75% of them in nottinghamshire who— to come forward and 75% of them in nottinghamshire who now _ to come forward and 75% of them in nottinghamshire who now feel- to come forward and 75% of them in nottinghamshire who now feel they| nottinghamshire who now feel they have had _ nottinghamshire who now feel they have had a — nottinghamshire who now feel they have had a positive _ nottinghamshire who now feel they have had a positive income - nottinghamshire who now feel they have had a positive income and - have had a positive income and shouldn't— have had a positive income and shouldn't we _ have had a positive income and shouldn't we expand _ have had a positive income and

shouldn't we expand that? - have had a positive income and shouldn't we expand that? i. have had a positive income andi shouldn't we expand that? [will shouldn't we expand that? i will study what _ shouldn't we expand that? i will study what the _ shouldn't we expand that? i will study what the baroness - shouldn't we expand that? study what the baroness has shouldn't we expand that?“ study what the baroness has come up with cut _ study what the baroness has come up with cut i _ study what the baroness has come up with cut i am — study what the baroness has come up with cut i am glad we have the confidence to come forward, that is always— confidence to come forward, that is always important but i think the best way— always important but i think the best way to tackle misogyny and to - ive best way to tackle misogyny and to give women confidence is to deal with the — give women confidence is to deal with the abundance of courses of conduct — with the abundance of courses of conduct that are already illegal and that we _ conduct that are already illegal and that we are not doing enough to tackle. — that we are not doing enough to tackle, that we are not prosecuting enough. _ tackle, that we are not prosecuting enough. in — tackle, that we are not prosecuting enough, in particular right and that is why— enough, in particular right and that is why we _ enough, in particular right and that is why we want to double prosecutions for rape and we are not seeing _ prosecutions for rape and we are not seeing a _ prosecutions for rape and we are not seeing a small increase. you prosecutions for rape and we are not seeing a small increase.— seeing a small increase. you were riaht seeing a small increase. you were ri . ht to seeing a small increase. you were right to focus _ seeing a small increase. you were right to focus on _ seeing a small increase. you were right to focus on the _ seeing a small increase. you were right to focus on the efforts - seeing a small increase. you were right to focus on the efforts going | right to focus on the efforts going into increased _ right to focus on the efforts going into increased rape _ right to focus on the efforts going into increased rape prosecutionsi right to focus on the efforts going. into increased rape prosecutions but one of— into increased rape prosecutions but one of the _ into increased rape prosecutions but one of the challenges _ into increased rape prosecutions but one of the challenges is— into increased rape prosecutions but one of the challenges is the - into increased rape prosecutions but one of the challenges is the white i one of the challenges is the white women _ one of the challenges is the white women do — one of the challenges is the white women do not _ one of the challenges is the white women do not feel— one of the challenges is the white women do not feel confident - one of the challenges is the white women do not feel confident to l one of the challenges is the white - women do not feel confident to come forward _ women do not feel confident to come forward and _ women do not feel confident to come forward and report _ women do not feel confident to come forward and report incidents. - women do not feel confident to come forward and report incidents. isn't . forward and report incidents. isn't it right _ forward and report incidents. isn't it right to— forward and report incidents. isn't it right to say— forward and report incidents. isn't it right to say in— forward and report incidents. isn't it right to say in a _ forward and report incidents. isn't it right to say in a public— forward and report incidents. isn't it right to say in a public sexual i it right to say in a public sexual harassment— it right to say in a public sexual harassment was— it right to say in a public sexual harassment was a _ it right to say in a public sexual harassment was a specific- it right to say in a public sexuali harassment was a specific crime it right to say in a public sexual - harassment was a specific crime that day and _

harassment was a specific crime that day and the — harassment was a specific crime that day and the police _ harassment was a specific crime that day and the police and _ harassment was a specific crime that day and the police and the _ day and the police and the prosecution _ day and the police and the prosecution service - day and the police and the prosecution service could i day and the police and the - prosecution service could point out, you might _ prosecution service could point out, you might see — prosecution service could point out, you might see women— prosecution service could point out, you might see women have - prosecution service could point out, you might see women have more i you might see women have more confidence — you might see women have more confidence to _ you might see women have more confidence to come _ you might see women have more confidence to come forward? - you might see women have more confidence to come forward? i. you might see women have more confidence to come forward? i think all women should _ confidence to come forward? i think all women should have _ confidence to come forward? i think all women should have confidence i confidence to come forward? i think| all women should have confidence to come _ all women should have confidence to come forward and denounce the harassment or crime against them that they— harassment or crime against them that they have experienced and there are proper— that they have experienced and there are proper procedures for those claims — are proper procedures for those claims and _ are proper procedures for those claims and complaints to be investigated.— claims and complaints to be investi . ated. ., . , investigated. one of the cultures underpinning _ investigated. one of the cultures underpinning male _ investigated. one of the cultures underpinning male violence - investigated. one of the cultures i underpinning male violence against women _ underpinning male violence against women is _ underpinning male violence against women is the — underpinning male violence against women is the easy— underpinning male violence against women is the easy access - underpinning male violence against women is the easy access to - underpinning male violence against . women is the easy access to extreme violent— women is the easy access to extreme violent degrading _ women is the easy access to extreme violent degrading pornography. - women is the easy access to extreme violent degrading pornography. can l violent degrading pornography. can we have _ violent degrading pornography. can we have any— violent degrading pornography. can we have any confidence _ violent degrading pornography. can we have any confidence that - violent degrading pornography. can we have any confidence that the - we have any confidence that the tegistation— we have any confidence that the tegistation you _ we have any confidence that the legislation you have _ we have any confidence that the legislation you have said - we have any confidence that the legislation you have said we - we have any confidence that the legislation you have said we will -et legislation you have said we will get to— legislation you have said we will get to vote _ legislation you have said we will get to vote on _ legislation you have said we will get to vote on before _ legislation you have said we will get to vote on before christmas| legislation you have said we will - get to vote on before christmas will address— get to vote on before christmas will address that? — get to vote on before christmas will address that? we _ get to vote on before christmas will address that? we know— get to vote on before christmas will address that? we know people - get to vote on before christmas will address that? we know people like| address that? we know people like wayne _ address that? we know people like wayne couzens _ address that? we know people like wayne couzens accept _ address that? we know people like wayne couzens accept that - address that? we know people like wayne couzens accept that sort - address that? we know people like wayne couzens accept that sort of| wayne couzens accept that sort of pornography _ wayne couzens accept that sort of pornography. should _ wayne couzens accept that sort of pornography. should we _ wayne couzens accept that sort of pornography. should we do - wayne couzens accept that sort of - pornography. should we do something to address _ pornography. should we do something to address that? _ pornography. should we do something to address that? [— pornography. should we do something to address that?— to address that? i think when you look at the _ to address that? i think when you look at the evidence _ to address that? i think when you look at the evidence of _ to address that? i think when you look at the evidence of people . to address that? i think when you | look at the evidence of people like wayne _ look at the evidence of people like wayne couzens and terrorist

offenders, many others, it is clear that people — offenders, many others, it is clear that people are coarsened and degraded by this stuff and we will see what— degraded by this stuff and we will see what we can do. the technological difficulties are quite extreme — technological difficulties are quite extreme but it's up to the online giants _ extreme but it's up to the online giants to— extreme but it's up to the online giants to make sure they don't have the staff— giants to make sure they don't have the staff on— giants to make sure they don't have the staff on their systems and we will take — the staff on their systems and we will take the steps necessary to hold them to account and that is what _ hold them to account and that is what the — hold them to account and that is what the online harms bill is designed to do. so what the online harms bill is designed to do.— what the online harms bill is designed to do. so we can have confidence _ designed to do. so we can have confidence there _ designed to do. so we can have confidence there will _ designed to do. so we can have confidence there will be - designed to do. so we can have i confidence there will be legislation that forces— confidence there will be legislation that forces the _ confidence there will be legislation that forces the massive _ confidence there will be legislation that forces the massive online - that forces the massive online giants — that forces the massive online giants to — that forces the massive online giants to do— that forces the massive online giants to do that? _ that forces the massive online giants to do that? it's - that forces the massive online giants to do that?— that forces the massive online giants to do that? it's time the onfine giants to do that? it's time the online giants — giants to do that? it's time the online giants realised - giants to do that? it's time the online giants realised they - giants to do that? it's time the i online giants realised they cannot simply— online giants realised they cannot simply think of themselves as neutral— simply think of themselves as neutral pieces of infrastructure. they— neutral pieces of infrastructure. they are — neutral pieces of infrastructure. they are publishers and they have responsibility for what appears on their systems and the online harms bill is _

their systems and the online harms bill is designed to give effect to that distinction. gne bill is designed to give effect to that distinction.— that distinction. one final question- _ that distinction. one final question. if— that distinction. one final question. if there - that distinction. one final question. if there is - that distinction. one final question. if there is a - that distinction. one final - question. if there is a challenge around — question. if there is a challenge around in — question. if there is a challenge around in a _ question. if there is a challenge around in a culture _ question. if there is a challenge around in a culture that - question. if there is a challenge . around in a culture that underpins mate _ around in a culture that underpins mate violence _ around in a culture that underpins male violence against _ around in a culture that underpins male violence against women, - around in a culture that underpins - male violence against women, should we start— male violence against women, should we start addressing _ male violence against women, should we start addressing that _ male violence against women, should we start addressing that in _ male violence against women, should we start addressing that in schools i we start addressing that in schools and took— we start addressing that in schools and took to— we start addressing that in schools and look to make _ we start addressing that in schools and look to make and _ we start addressing that in schools and look to make and look- we start addressing that in schools and look to make and look to- we start addressing that in schools| and look to make and look to make consent— and look to make and look to make consent classes _ and look to make and look to make consent classes compulsory? - and look to make and look to make consent classes compulsory? [- and look to make and look to make consent classes compulsory? i think that kids nowadays _ consent classes compulsory? i think that kids nowadays are _ consent classes compulsory? i think that kids nowadays are given - consent classes compulsory? i think that kids nowadays are given much i that kids nowadays are given much better— that kids nowadays are given much better and — that kids nowadays are given much better and more balanced instruction about— better and more balanced instruction about these questions than was the case even _ about these questions than was the case even ten years ago. never mind 20, case even ten years ago. never mind 20. 30 _ case even ten years ago. never mind 20. 30 years— case even ten years ago. never mind 20,30 years ago. but there is a way to 20, 30 years ago. but there is a way to go— 20,30 years ago. but there is a way to go and _ 20,30 years ago. but there is a way to go and it's — 20,30 years ago. but there is a way to go and it's something i'm willing to go and it's something i'm willing to look— to go and it's something i'm willing to took at — to go and it's something i'm willing to look at. g . ., . to look at. julia night for digital culture, media _ to look at. julia night for digital culture, media and _ to look at. julia night for digital culture, media and sport - to look at. julia night for digital - culture, media and sport committee. do you think acts that are illegal off-tine — do you think acts that are illegal off—line should _ do you think acts that are illegal off—line should be _ do you think acts that are illegal off—line should be illegal- do you think acts that are illegal off—line should be illegal when. off—line should be illegal when committed _ off—line should be illegal when committed online? _ off—line should be illegal when committed online? gite- off-line should be illegal when committed online?— off-line should be illegal when

committed online? . . . , committed online? give an example. c ber committed online? give an example. cyber flashing- _ committed online? give an example. cyber flashing- i _ committed online? give an example. cyber flashing. i can _ committed online? give an example. cyber flashing. i can give _ committed online? give an example. cyber flashing. i can give you - committed online? give an example. cyber flashing. i can give you a - cyber flashing. i can give you a description _ cyber flashing. i can give you a description if— cyber flashing. i can give you a description if you _ cyber flashing. i can give you a description if you like. - cyber flashing. i can give you a description if you like.- description if you like. cyber flashing? — description if you like. cyber flashing? yes, _ description if you like. cyber flashing? yes, on _ description if you like. cyber flashing? yes, on the - description if you like. cyber| flashing? yes, on the whole, description if you like. cyber l flashing? yes, on the whole, i description if you like. cyber - flashing? yes, on the whole, i don't care whether — flashing? yes, on the whole, i don't care whether flashing is cyber or not, _ care whether flashing is cyber or not. it— care whether flashing is cyber or not, it should be illegal. if that's the case will _ not, it should be illegal. if that's the case will you _ not, it should be illegal. if that's the case will you commit - not, it should be illegal. if that's the case will you commit to - not, it should be illegal. if that's i the case will you commit to expand what is _ the case will you commit to expand what is at _ the case will you commit to expand what is at present _ the case will you commit to expand what is at present the _ the case will you commit to expand what is at present the definitions i what is at present the definitions of online — what is at present the definitions of online harms. _ what is at present the definitions of online harms. we _ what is at present the definitions of online harms. we look- what is at present the definitions of online harms. we look at - of online harms. we look at terrorism _ of online harms. we look at terrorism and _ of online harms. we look at terrorism and child - of online harms. we look at - terrorism and child exploitation which _ terrorism and child exploitation which places— terrorism and child exploitation which places a _ terrorism and child exploitation which places a specific- terrorism and child exploitation which places a specific duty - terrorism and child exploitation which places a specific duty of i which places a specific duty of care. — which places a specific duty of care, following _ which places a specific duty of care, following on _ which places a specific duty of care, following on from - which places a specific duty of care, following on from your. which places a specific duty of - care, following on from your answer to my _ care, following on from your answer to my honourable _ care, following on from your answer to my honourable friend _ care, following on from your answer to my honourable friend on - care, following on from your answer to my honourable friend on the - to my honourable friend on the social— to my honourable friend on the social media _ to my honourable friend on the social media giants _ to my honourable friend on the social media giants to - to my honourable friend on the social media giants to include i to my honourable friend on the - social media giants to include such crimes— social media giants to include such crimes as — social media giants to include such crimes as flashing _ social media giants to include such crimes as flashing and _ social media giants to include such crimes as flashing and assisting. crimes as flashing and assisting self-harm — crimes as flashing and assisting self—harm pushing _ crimes as flashing and assisting self—harm pushing people - crimes as flashing and assisting i self—harm pushing people towards suicide. _ self—harm pushing people towards suicide, crucially— self—harm pushing people towards suicide, crucially on _ self—harm pushing people towards suicide, crucially on the _ self—harm pushing people towards suicide, crucially on the face - self—harm pushing people towards suicide, crucially on the face of- suicide, crucially on the face of online — suicide, crucially on the face of online harms— suicide, crucially on the face of online harms legislation, - suicide, crucially on the face of online harms legislation, on i suicide, crucially on the face ofi online harms legislation, on the face of— online harms legislation, on the face of the — online harms legislation, on the face of the bill. _ online harms legislation, on the face of the bill.— online harms legislation, on the face of the bill. thank you for your suggestion. _ face of the bill. thank you for your suggestion. i— face of the bill. thank you for your suggestion, iwill— face of the bill. thank you for your suggestion, i will make _ face of the bill. thank you for your suggestion, i will make sure - face of the bill. thank you for your

suggestion, i will make sure we i face of the bill. thank you for your i suggestion, i will make sure we look at it, _ suggestion, i will make sure we look at it. as _ suggestion, i will make sure we look at it, as colleagues will now, the 0nline _ at it, as colleagues will now, the online harms bill is due to leave the joint — online harms bill is due to leave the joint committee. the online harms bill is due to leave the joint committee. the 'oint committee. the difficulty we the joint committee. the difficulty we have is they — the joint committee. the difficulty we have is they will _ the joint committee. the difficulty we have is they will not _ the joint committee. the difficulty we have is they will not be - the joint committee. the difficulty | we have is they will not be another online _ we have is they will not be another online safety— we have is they will not be another online safety bill— we have is they will not be another online safety bill in _ we have is they will not be another online safety bill in this _ online safety bill in this parliament— online safety bill in this parliament so- online safety bill in this parliament so are - online safety bill in this parliament so are you i online safety bill in this - parliament so are you prepared online safety bill in this _ parliament so are you prepared to shun _ parliament so are you prepared to shun the — parliament so are you prepared to shun the opportunity _ parliament so are you prepared to shun the opportunity now- parliament so are you prepared to shun the opportunity now to - parliament so are you prepared to i shun the opportunity now to protect women _ shun the opportunity now to protect women and — shun the opportunity now to protect women and girls— shun the opportunity now to protect women and girls from _ shun the opportunity now to protect women and girls from such - shun the opportunity now to protect women and girls from such vile - shun the opportunity now to protect women and girls from such vile acts as we _ women and girls from such vile acts as we described? _ women and girls from such vile acts as we described? the _ women and girls from such vile acts as we described?— women and girls from such vile acts as we described? the answer is yes, if we can do — as we described? the answer is yes, if we can do something _ as we described? the answer is yes, if we can do something in _ as we described? the answer is yes, if we can do something in the - as we described? the answer is yes, if we can do something in the online harms— if we can do something in the online harms biti— if we can do something in the online harms bill to stop cyber flashing, which _ harms bill to stop cyber flashing, which is _ harms bill to stop cyber flashing, which is something that is clearly a scourge _ which is something that is clearly a scourge that is developing... it scourge that is developing... [it also scourge that is developing... also folds scourge that is developing... it also folds into violence against women — also folds into violence against women and _ also folds into violence against women and girls _ also folds into violence against women and girls and _ also folds into violence against women and girls and a - also folds into violence against| women and girls and a strategy around — women and girls and a strategy around this— women and girls and a strategy around this but— women and girls and a strategy around this but he _ women and girls and a strategy around this but he was- women and girls and a strategy around this but he was a - women and girls and a strategy around this but he was a key. women and girls and a strategy. around this but he was a key piece of tegistative — around this but he was a key piece of legislative intervention - around this but he was a key piece of legislative intervention that - of legislative intervention that will come _ of legislative intervention that will come before _ of legislative intervention that will come before the - of legislative intervention that will come before the house i of legislative intervention that. will come before the house and of legislative intervention that - will come before the house and so for this— will come before the house and so for this group _ will come before the house and so for this group is— will come before the house and so for this group is so— will come before the house and so for this group is so narrow, with. for this group is so narrow, with all the _ for this group is so narrow, with all the lobbying _ for this group is so narrow, with all the lobbying that _ for this group is so narrow, with all the lobbying that goes - for this group is so narrow, with all the lobbying that goes on. i for this group is so narrow, with all the lobbying that goes on. lfj all the lobbying that goes on. if” you all the lobbying that goes on. you can draft something that all the lobbying that goes on.“ you can draft something that will

capture _ you can draft something that will capture it. — you can draft something that will capture it, let's have a look at it. it capture it, let's have a look at it. it sounds — capture it, let's have a look at it. it sounds like a useful dollar given there _ it sounds like a useful dollar given there is— it sounds like a useful dollar given there is a — it sounds like a useful dollar given there is a five—day time lag between there is a five—day time lag between the joint _ there is a five—day time lag between the joint committee and the promise to present _ the joint committee and the promise to present legislation, just to be clear. _ to present legislation, just to be clear. witt— to present legislation, just to be clear, will we have a second reading as you _ clear, will we have a second reading as you promised at the dispatch box of online _ as you promised at the dispatch box of online harms legislation before christmas? t— christmas? i think that depends on the joint committee. i think that depends on the 'oint committeafi i think that depends on the 'oint committee. ., . , . committee. you said at the dispatch box, ou committee. you said at the dispatch box. you would _ committee. you said at the dispatch box, you would bring _ committee. you said at the dispatch box, you would bring the _ committee. you said at the dispatch box, you would bring the legislation j box, you would bring the legislation forward _ box, you would bring the legislation forward before _ box, you would bring the legislation forward before christmas. _ box, you would bring the legislation forward before christmas. [f- box, you would bring the legislation forward before christmas. if the. forward before christmas. if the 'oint forward before christmas. if the joint committee _ forward before christmas. if the joint committee can _ forward before christmas. if the joint committee can conclude i forward before christmas.- joint committee can conclude its work _ joint committee can conclude its work. ., . ., joint committee can conclude its work. ., ., joint committee can conclude its work. ., , ., ., ., work. the house of commons are charred work. the house of commons are charged with _ work. the house of commons are charged with doing _ work. the house of commons are charged with doing that _ work. the house of commons are charged with doing that five - work. the house of commons are charged with doing that five days | charged with doing that five days earlier— charged with doing that five days earlier so— charged with doing that five days earlier so you _ charged with doing that five days earlier so you have _ charged with doing that five days earlier so you have five - charged with doing that five days earlier so you have five days - earlier so you have five days between _ earlier so you have five days between the _ earlier so you have five days between the committee - earlier so you have five days - between the committee reporting the tegistation— between the committee reporting the tegistation being _ between the committee reporting the legislation being presented _ between the committee reporting the legislation being presented to - between the committee reporting the legislation being presented to the - legislation being presented to the house _ legislation being presented to the house witt— legislation being presented to the house will you _ legislation being presented to the house. will you do— legislation being presented to the house. will you do that _ legislation being presented to the house. will you do that before - house. will you do that before christmas _ house. will you do that before christmas quarter— house. will you do that before christmas quarter if— house. will you do that before christmas quarter if the - house. will you do that before christmas quarter if the joint i christmas quarter if the joint committee _ christmas quarter if the joint committee report— christmas quarter if the joint committee report in- christmas quarter if the joint committee report in time, i christmas quarter if the joint i committee report in time, yes. christmas quarter if the joint - committee report in time, yes. so you will— committee report in time, yes. so you will do— committee report in time, yes. so you will do it —

committee report in time, yes. so you will do it if— committee report in time, yes. so you will do it if the _ committee report in time, yes. so you will do it if the report- committee report in time, yes. so you will do it if the report five - you will do it if the report five days — you will do it if the report five days before? _ you will do it if the report five days before? we _ you will do it if the report five days before?— you will do it if the report five days before? you will do it if the report five da s before? ~ ., days before? we will report as soon as we can- — days before? we will report as soon as we can- if — days before? we will report as soon as we can- if it— days before? we will report as soon as we can. if it can _ days before? we will report as soon as we can. if it can be _ days before? we will report as soon as we can. if it can be done - days before? we will report as soon as we can. if it can be done before i as we can. if it can be done before christmas — as we can. if it can be done before christmas that would be a great thing _ christmas that would be a great thing i— christmas that would be a great thing. i understand another committee is due to report before christmas — committee is due to report before christmas and after that i don't know— christmas and after that i don't know what the delight might be between bringing it back. another thin . between bringing it back. another thin ou between bringing it back. another thing you said _ between bringing it back. another thing you said at _ between bringing it back. another thing you said at the _ between bringing it back. another thing you said at the dispatch - between bringing it back. another thing you said at the dispatch box| thing you said at the dispatch box was you _ thing you said at the dispatch box was you wanted _ thing you said at the dispatch box was you wanted to _ thing you said at the dispatch box was you wanted to see _ thing you said at the dispatch box was you wanted to see potentiali was you wanted to see potential criminal— was you wanted to see potential criminal sanctions— was you wanted to see potential criminal sanctions for— was you wanted to see potential criminal sanctions for social - was you wanted to see potential i criminal sanctions for social media giants _ criminal sanctions for social media giants if— criminal sanctions for social media giants if they— criminal sanctions for social media giants if they fail— criminal sanctions for social media giants if they fail in _ criminal sanctions for social media giants if they fail in their - criminal sanctions for social media giants if they fail in their duty- criminal sanctions for social media giants if they fail in their duty of. giants if they fail in their duty of care but— giants if they fail in their duty of care but that _ giants if they fail in their duty of care but that leaves _ giants if they fail in their duty of care but that leaves a _ giants if they fail in their duty of care but that leaves a lot - giants if they fail in their duty of care but that leaves a lot of- giants if they fail in their duty of. care but that leaves a lot of wiggle room _ care but that leaves a lot of wiggle room with — care but that leaves a lot of wiggle room with the _ care but that leaves a lot of wiggle room with the word _ care but that leaves a lot of wiggle room with the word potential. - care but that leaves a lot of wiggle room with the word potential. will| room with the word potential. will you incorporate _ room with the word potential. will you incorporate a _ room with the word potential. will you incorporate a criminal- room with the word potential. will| you incorporate a criminal sanction in the _ you incorporate a criminal sanction in the bill— you incorporate a criminal sanction in the bill in— you incorporate a criminal sanction in the bill in primary— you incorporate a criminal sanction in the bill in primary legislation - in the bill in primary legislation rather— in the bill in primary legislation rather than _ in the bill in primary legislation rather than incorporating - in the bill in primary legislation rather than incorporating the i rather than incorporating the potential— rather than incorporating the potential at _ rather than incorporating the potential at a _ rather than incorporating the potential at a later— rather than incorporating the potential at a later date - rather than incorporating the potential at a later date for i rather than incorporating the i potential at a later date for the secretary — potential at a later date for the secretary of _ potential at a later date for the secretary of state _ potential at a later date for the secretary of state to _ potential at a later date for the secretary of state to introduce i secretary of state to introduce secondary _ secretary of state to introduce secondary legislation - secretary of state to introduce secondary legislation to - secretary of state to introduce - secondary legislation to introduce criminal— secondary legislation to introduce criminal sanction _ secondary legislation to introduce criminal sanction criminal- secondary legislation to introduce i criminal sanction criminal sanctions now or— criminal sanction criminal sanctions now or at _ criminal sanction criminal sanctions now or at the — criminal sanction criminal sanctions now or at the discretion _ criminal sanction criminal sanctions now or at the discretion of- criminal sanction criminal sanctions now or at the discretion of the - now or at the discretion of the secretary— now or at the discretion of the secretary of _ now or at the discretion of the secretary of state? _ now or at the discretion of the secretary of state? [- now or at the discretion of the secretary of state?— now or at the discretion of the secretary of state? i share your anxie , secretary of state? i share your anxiety. mr _ secretary of state? i share your anxiety, mr knight, _ secretary of state? i share your anxiety, mr knight, about - secretary of state? i share your anxiety, mr knight, about the i anxiety, mr knight, about the deferred _ anxiety, mr knight, about the deferred sanctions we are currently

looking _ deferred sanctions we are currently looking at — deferred sanctions we are currently looking at and let me take that away — looking at and let me take that away so — looking at and let me take that awa . , ., looking at and let me take that awa i , ., , looking at and let me take that awa. , ., , . . ., away. so is not 'ust a takeaway or do ou away. so is not 'ust a takeaway or do you think — away. so is notjust a takeaway or do you think they _ away. so is notjust a takeaway or do you think they should - away. so is notjust a takeaway or do you think they should be - away. so is notjust a takeaway or do you think they should be in - away. so is notjust a takeaway or i do you think they should be in place in the _ do you think they should be in place in the bill— do you think they should be in place in the bill itself? — do you think they should be in place in the bill itself? [— do you think they should be in place in the bill itself?— in the bill itself? i think we want the strongest — in the bill itself? i think we want the strongest possible _ in the bill itself? i think we want the strongest possible deterrent and the strongest possible deterrent and the strongest possible deterrent and the strongest sanctions against people — the strongest sanctions against people who run online companies who were allowing a torrent of hateful stuff to _ were allowing a torrent of hateful stuff to appear on their networks. finat— stuff to appear on their networks. final question can you set on the 24th— final question can you set on the 24th of— final question can you set on the 24th of march _ final question can you set on the 24th of march that _ final question can you set on the 24th of march that you _ final question can you set on the 24th of march that you would - final question can you set on the - 24th of march that you would ensure the eu _ zath of march that you would ensure the eu visas— zath of march that you would ensure the eu visas for— 24th of march that you would ensure the eu visas for creatives _ 24th of march that you would ensure the eu visas for creatives and - 24th of march that you would ensure the eu visas for creatives and those i the eu visas for creatives and those in the _ the eu visas for creatives and those in the touring — the eu visas for creatives and those in the touring industry— the eu visas for creatives and those in the touring industry would be - in the touring industry would be sorted. — in the touring industry would be sorted. you _ in the touring industry would be sorted, you would _ in the touring industry would be sorted, you would get- in the touring industry would be sorted, you would get it - in the touring industry would bej sorted, you would get it sorted. since _ sorted, you would get it sorted. since then— sorted, you would get it sorted. since then the _ sorted, you would get it sorted. since then the dcms _ sorted, you would get it sorted. since then the dcms has - sorted, you would get it sorted. since then the dcms has had i sorted, you would get it sorted. since then the dcms has had a i sorted, you would get it sorted. - since then the dcms has had a total of four— since then the dcms has had a total of four meetings, _ since then the dcms has had a total of four meetings, all— since then the dcms has had a total of four meetings, all with _ since then the dcms has had a total of four meetings, all with spain, - of four meetings, all with spain, not with— of four meetings, all with spain, not with any— of four meetings, all with spain, not with any other _ of four meetings, all with spain, not with any other countries. - of four meetings, all with spain, not with any other countries. we have _ not with any other countries. we have the — not with any other countries. we have the issue _ not with any other countries. we have the issue of— not with any other countries. we have the issue of lord _ not with any other countries. we have the issue of lord frost - not with any other countries. we i have the issue of lord frost willing to attend _ have the issue of lord frost willing to attend my— have the issue of lord frost willing to attend my committee _ have the issue of lord frost willing to attend my committee for- have the issue of lord frost willing to attend my committee for a - have the issue of lord frost willing

to attend my committee for a long | to attend my committee for a long period _ to attend my committee for a long period of— to attend my committee for a long period of time _ to attend my committee for a long period of time so _ to attend my committee for a long period of time so is— to attend my committee for a long period of time so is four— to attend my committee for a long period of time so is four meetings| period of time so is four meetings in eight _ period of time so is four meetings in eight months, _ period of time so is four meetings in eight months, how— period of time so is four meetings in eight months, how is— period of time so is four meetings in eight months, how is that - period of time so is four meetings i in eight months, how is that getting it sorted? _ in eight months, how is that getting it sorted? i'rn — in eight months, how is that getting it sorted? �* . ., , ., ., it sorted? i'm grateful to you for the work you _ it sorted? i'm grateful to you for the work you are _ it sorted? i'm grateful to you for the work you are doing. - it sorted? i'm grateful to you for the work you are doing. i - it sorted? i'm grateful to you for the work you are doing. i note i it sorted? i'm grateful to you for i the work you are doing. i note that at least _ the work you are doing. i note that at least 28 — the work you are doing. i note that at least 28 member states including france _ at least 28 member states including france and — at least 28 member states including france and germany now offer visa and work— france and germany now offer visa and work permit freight routes for touring _ and work permit freight routes for touring musicians and i think i read 'ust touring musicians and i think i read just yesterday or today that there had been — just yesterday or today that there had been progress made in spain, so we are _ had been progress made in spain, so we are continuing... does had been progress made in spain, so we are continuing. . ._ we are continuing... does not show that meeting _ we are continuing... does not show that meeting them _ we are continuing... does not show that meeting them actually - we are continuing... does not show that meeting them actually makesl we are continuing... does not show| that meeting them actually makes a difference. — that meeting them actually makes a difference, that— that meeting them actually makes a difference, that we _ that meeting them actually makes a difference, that we should - that meeting them actually makes a difference, that we should meet - that meeting them actually makes a difference, that we should meet our bilateral— difference, that we should meet our bilateral partners— difference, that we should meet our bilateral partners to _ difference, that we should meet our bilateral partners to negotiate - bilateral partners to negotiate these — bilateral partners to negotiate these deals. _ bilateral partners to negotiate these deals, because - bilateral partners to negotiate these deals, because we - bilateral partners to negotiate these deals, because we are i bilateral partners to negotiate - these deals, because we are losing a hu-e these deals, because we are losing a huge swathes— these deals, because we are losing a huge swathes of— these deals, because we are losing a huge swathes of the _ these deals, because we are losing a huge swathes of the touring - these deals, because we are losing a huge swathes of the touring industry| huge swathes of the touring industry and we _ huge swathes of the touring industry and we were — huge swathes of the touring industry and we were the _ huge swathes of the touring industry and we were the centre _ huge swathes of the touring industry and we were the centre of— huge swathes of the touring industry and we were the centre of touring, i and we were the centre of touring, it is bigger— and we were the centre of touring, it is bigger than _ and we were the centre of touring, it is bigger than many— and we were the centre of touring, it is bigger than many other- it is bigger than many other industries _ it is bigger than many other industries we _ it is bigger than many other industries we take - it is bigger than many other industries we take more - it is bigger than many other. industries we take more time it is bigger than many other- industries we take more time over so iwonder— industries we take more time over so i wonder if— industries we take more time over so i wonder if it — industries we take more time over so i wonder if it is — industries we take more time over so i wonder if it is time _ industries we take more time over so i wonder if it is time to— industries we take more time over so i wonder if it is time to face - industries we take more time over so i wonder if it is time to face up- industries we take more time over so i wonder if it is time to face up to - i wonder if it is time to face up to this and _

i wonder if it is time to face up to this and have _ i wonder if it is time to face up to this and have these _ i wonder if it is time to face up to this and have these bilateral- this and have these bilateral meetings _ this and have these bilateral meetings but _ this and have these bilateral meetings but at _ this and have these bilateral meetings but at the - this and have these bilateral meetings but at the same i this and have these bilateral. meetings but at the same time this and have these bilateral- meetings but at the same time the idea of— meetings but at the same time the idea of other— meetings but at the same time the idea of other countries _ meetings but at the same time the idea of other countries conclude i idea of other countries conclude there _ idea of other countries conclude there was— idea of other countries conclude there was a _ idea of other countries conclude there was a press _ idea of other countries conclude there was a press release - idea of other countries concludei there was a press release several months _ there was a press release several months ago — there was a press release several months ago and _ there was a press release several months ago and take _ there was a press release several months ago and take my - there was a press release several months ago and take my word . there was a press release severalj months ago and take my word for it, nothing _ months ago and take my word for it, nothing has — months ago and take my word for it, nothing has happened _ months ago and take my word for it, nothing has happened since - months ago and take my word for it, nothing has happened since march. nothing has happened since march until very— nothing has happened since march until very lightly _ nothing has happened since march until very lightly as— nothing has happened since march until very lightly as a _ nothing has happened since march until very lightly as a result - nothing has happened since march until very lightly as a result of - until very lightly as a result of the spanish _ until very lightly as a result of the spanish negotiations. - until very lightly as a result of the spanish negotiations. i. until very lightly as a result of the spanish negotiations. i fully acce -t the spanish negotiations. i fully accept your— the spanish negotiations. i fully accept your criticism _ the spanish negotiations. i fully accept your criticism but - the spanish negotiations. i fully accept your criticism but what i | accept your criticism but what i would — accept your criticism but what i would say _ accept your criticism but what i would say is the circumstances have also been _ would say is the circumstances have also been pretty difficult for touring _ also been pretty difficult for touring of any kind for a long time and what — touring of any kind for a long time and what we want to see is markets opening _ and what we want to see is markets opening up— and what we want to see is markets opening up generally for touring musicians and port tourists of all kinds _ musicians and port tourists of all kinds can— musicians and port tourists of all kinds can we want to see many more people _ kinds can we want to see many more people coming to london whether they are musicians or not and we should be making — are musicians or not and we should be making an effort to ensure that happens — be making an effort to ensure that happens. we be making an effort to ensure that ha ens. ~ . ., be making an effort to ensure that hauens. ~ ., , happens. we will come back to this sub'ect, it happens. we will come back to this subject. it is _ happens. we will come back to this subject. it is a _ happens. we will come back to this subject, it is a subject _ happens. we will come back to this subject, it is a subject i _ happens. we will come back to this subject, it is a subject i feel - subject, it is a subject i feel strongly about and i think the government could make a more

coordinated effort but could i go back to the question of violence against women? since sarah everard was murdered, about 18 more women have been murdered, nearly all by men, and at a time when women are feeling vulnerable, what are you going to do to demonstrate the government is behind them, for example when you guarantee safe spaces for women based on their sex such as changing rooms, hospital wards and so on which they feel are under threat?— under threat? thank you, sir bernard- _ under threat? thank you, sir bernard. it _ under threat? thank you, sir bernard. it is _ under threat? thank you, sir bernard. it is appalling - under threat? thank you, sir bernard. it is appalling to i under threat? thank you, sir| bernard. it is appalling to see crimes— bernard. it is appalling to see crimes of— bernard. it is appalling to see crimes of violence against women, that is— crimes of violence against women, that is why— crimes of violence against women, that is why i — crimes of violence against women, that is why i said in my answer to even _ that is why i said in my answer to even out — that is why i said in my answer to even out that it was our number one priority _ even out that it was our number one priority. what we are trying to do is all— priority. what we are trying to do is all sorts— priority. what we are trying to do is all sorts of measures from the stocking — is all sorts of measures from the stocking and protection order, the domestic— stocking and protection order, the domestic abuse act, the steps we are trying _ domestic abuse act, the steps we are trying to— domestic abuse act, the steps we are trying to take to increase prosecutions for rape, we are doing

all that— prosecutions for rape, we are doing all that and — prosecutions for rape, we are doing all that and i will not pretend that this is. _ all that and i will not pretend that this is. the — all that and i will not pretend that this is, the progress is as i would like or— this is, the progress is as i would like or going as fast as i would want _ like or going as fast as i would want that— like or going as fast as i would want that is an absolute priority for the — want that is an absolute priority for the government and we are doing things— for the government and we are doing things that _ for the government and we are doing things that make a small, are different— things that make a small, are different such as putting more money into streetlights and making sure that we _ into streetlights and making sure that we have many more female police officers. _ that we have many more female police officers. we _ that we have many more female police officers, we have az% of the met is now female, site az% of recruits are now female, site az% of recruits are now female. — now female, site az% of recruits are now female, so we are changing the culture _ now female, so we are changing the culture but— now female, so we are changing the culture but we will not rest until women — culture but we will not rest until women have confidence in the system, confidence _ women have confidence in the system, confidence in _ women have confidence in the system, confidence in the streets and confidence in the streets and confidence they will get justice when _ confidence they will get justice when they are attacked. and

confidence they will get 'ustice when they are attacked. and you have been clear in — when they are attacked. and you have been clear in your _ when they are attacked. and you have been clear in your message _ when they are attacked. and you have been clear in your message to - when they are attacked. and you have been clear in your message to the - been clear in your message to the joint committee about the online safety belt that you would like them to include extreme violent pornography as an online harm and we need to protect our children from that. i need to protect our children from that. ., ~' need to protect our children from that. ., ~ . need to protect our children from that. .. ~ . we need to protect our children from that-_ we are - need to protect our children from | that._ we are miles that. i do think that. we are miles behind, that. i do think that. we are miles behind. so — that. i do think that. we are miles behind. so can _ that. i do think that. we are miles behind, so can we _ that. i do think that. we are miles behind, so can we move _ that. i do think that. we are miles behind, so can we move on? - that. i do think that. we are miles| behind, so can we move on? good afternoon. — behind, so can we move on? good afternoon, prime _ behind, so can we move on? good afternoon, prime minister. - behind, so can we move on? good afternoon, prime minister. can we go back to _ afternoon, prime minister. can we go back to conviction _ afternoon, prime minister. can we go back to conviction levels _ afternoon, prime minister. can we go back to conviction levels for— afternoon, prime minister. can we go back to conviction levels for rape - back to conviction levels for rape victims? — back to conviction levels for rape victims? you _ back to conviction levels for rape victims? you would _ back to conviction levels for rape victims? you would accept - back to conviction levels for rape victims? you would accept that i back to conviction levels for rape - victims? you would accept that there should _ victims? you would accept that there shoutd only— victims? you would accept that there should only ever— victims? you would accept that there should only ever be _ victims? you would accept that there should only ever be a _ victims? you would accept that there should only ever be a conviction - victims? you would accept that there should only ever be a conviction if. should only ever be a conviction if a jury— should only ever be a conviction if a jury is— should only ever be a conviction if a jury is satisfied _ a jury is satisfied beyond reasonable _ a jury is satisfied beyond reasonable doubt - a jury is satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on - a jury is satisfied beyond - reasonable doubt on lawfully admissible _ reasonable doubt on lawfully admissible evidence - reasonable doubt on lawfully admissible evidence on - reasonable doubt on lawfully admissible evidence on the i reasonable doubt on lawfully . admissible evidence on the guilt reasonable doubt on lawfully - admissible evidence on the guilt of the person— admissible evidence on the guilt of the person concerned, _ admissible evidence on the guilt of the person concerned, yes? - admissible evidence on the guilt of the person concerned, yes? thati the person concerned, yes? that being _ the person concerned, yes? that being so. — the person concerned, yes? that being so, doesn't— the person concerned, yes? that being so, doesn't the _ the person concerned, yes? that being so, doesn't the success . the person concerned, yes? that. being so, doesn't the success rate of prosecutions _ being so, doesn't the success rate of prosecutions depend _ being so, doesn't the success rate of prosecutions depend on - being so, doesn't the success rate of prosecutions depend on the - of prosecutions depend on the quality— of prosecutions depend on the quality of— of prosecutions depend on the quality of the _ of prosecutions depend on the quality of the evidence - of prosecutions depend on the quality of the evidence and - quality of the evidence and therefore _ quality of the evidence and therefore the _ quality of the evidence and therefore the quality - quality of the evidence and therefore the quality of - quality of the evidence and| therefore the quality of the investigation? _ therefore the quality of the investigation? what - therefore the quality of the investigation? what more. therefore the quality of the l investigation? what more is therefore the quality of the - investigation? what more is being done _ investigation? what more is being done to— investigation? what more is being

done to investigate _ investigation? what more is being done to investigate rape _ investigation? what more is being done to investigate rape and - investigation? what more is being i done to investigate rape and serious sexual— done to investigate rape and serious sexual offences _ done to investigate rape and serious sexual offences both _ done to investigate rape and serious sexual offences both at _ done to investigate rape and serious sexual offences both at training - done to investigate rape and serious sexual offences both at training and | sexual offences both at training and prosecution? — sexual offences both at training and prosecution? we _ sexual offences both at training and prosecution?— sexual offences both at training and prosecution? we are investing about 85 million more _ prosecution? we are investing about 85 million more into _ prosecution? we are investing about 85 million more into prosecutors - prosecution? we are investing about 85 million more into prosecutors for| 85 million more into prosecutors for the cps. _ 85 million more into prosecutors for the cps, specifically to try to give them _ the cps, specifically to try to give them more heft and to get cases done faster— them more heft and to get cases done faster to _ them more heft and to get cases done faster to give victims more confidence, but i also chair of the crime _ confidence, but i also chair of the crime and — confidence, but i also chair of the crime and justice task force and i bring _ crime and justice task force and i bring together the ministers responsible for all of this from the lord chancellor, home secretary, minister— lord chancellor, home secretary, minister for policing and crime and so on. _ minister for policing and crime and so on. and — minister for policing and crime and so on, and what needs to happen is that the _ so on, and what needs to happen is that the cps, the prosecutors and the police. — that the cps, the prosecutors and the police, need to work absolutely hand in _ the police, need to work absolutely hand in glove from the outset rather than constantly passing the buck between — than constantly passing the buck

between each other about who has failed _ between each other about who has failed to— between each other about who has failed to assemble the requisite evidence — failed to assemble the requisite evidence or who has left a file in the wrong — evidence or who has left a file in the wrong condition. that has basically— the wrong condition. that has basically been one of the problems, so we _ basically been one of the problems, so we are _ basically been one of the problems, so we are beefing up the cps but also trying to have greater integration and gripped by the police — integration and gripped by the police and the cps together. that's a fair observation _ police and the cps together. that's a fair observation but _ police and the cps together. that's a fair observation but it _ police and the cps together. that's a fair observation but it will- a fair observation but it will require _ a fair observation but it will require resource. _ a fair observation but it will require resource. when- a fair observation but it will| require resource. when you a fair observation but it will- require resource. when you make a fair observation but it will— require resource. when you make sure that is— require resource. when you make sure that is funded? — require resource. when you make sure that is funded? we _ require resource. when you make sure that is funded?— require resource. when you make sure that is funded?- you _ require resource. when you make sure that is funded?- you refer - require resource. when you make sure that is funded?- you refer to i that is funded? we are. you refer to disclosure- — that is funded? we are. you refer to disclosure. would _ that is funded? we are. you refer to disclosure. would you _ that is funded? we are. you refer to disclosure. would you prefer- that is funded? we are. you refer to disclosure. would you prefer -- - that is funded? we are. you refer to disclosure. would you prefer -- to l disclosure. would you prefer —— to accept _ disclosure. would you prefer —— to accept that — disclosure. would you prefer —— to accept that the _ disclosure. would you prefer —— to accept that the right _ disclosure. would you prefer —— to accept that the right to _ disclosure. would you prefer —— to accept that the right to disclosure i accept that the right to disclosure of unused — accept that the right to disclosure of unused prosecution _ accept that the right to disclosure of unused prosecution material. accept that the right to disclosure - of unused prosecution material which may assist— of unused prosecution material which may assist the — of unused prosecution material which may assist the defendant _ of unused prosecution material which may assist the defendant for - of unused prosecution material which may assist the defendant for me - may assist the defendant for me undermine — may assist the defendant for me undermine the— may assist the defendant for me undermine the prosecution - may assist the defendant for me undermine the prosecution is. may assist the defendant for me undermine the prosecution is a i undermine the prosecution is a fundamental— undermine the prosecution is a fundamental safeguarded - undermine the prosecution is a fundamental safeguarded in i undermine the prosecution is al fundamental safeguarded in the system? — fundamental safeguarded in the system? i— fundamental safeguarded in the s stem? . fundamental safeguarded in the sstem? . ., fundamental safeguarded in the sstem? . . ., system? i have caught are great with that principle — system? i have caught are great with that principle but _ system? i have caught are great with that principle but i _ system? i have caught are great with that principle but i think _ system? i have caught are great with that principle but i think what - system? i have caught are great with that principle but i think what has - that principle but i think what has sadly— that principle but i think what has sadly happen is that a great deal of data and _ sadly happen is that a great deal of data and information has been mined from mobile phones and it has

produced _ from mobile phones and it has produced pain and embarrassment and discomfiture on the part of victims and has _ discomfiture on the part of victims and has discouraged them from continuing with the case and perhaps even deterred people from coming forward. _ even deterred people from coming forward, and that's why it's vital that we — forward, and that's why it's vital that we delimit what the police can use in— that we delimit what the police can use in evidence from a mobile phone, restricted _ use in evidence from a mobile phone, restricted to _ use in evidence from a mobile phone, restricted to what is actually germane to the case and make sure the phone _ germane to the case and make sure the phone is— germane to the case and make sure the phone is handed back within 24 hours. _ the phone is handed back within 24 hours. ~ ., , ., the phone is handed back within 24 hours. ~ ., , . hours. would you accept that could be assisted — hours. would you accept that could be assisted by _ hours. would you accept that could be assisted by investment - hours. would you accept that could be assisted by investment in - be assisted by investment in technology— be assisted by investment in technology for— be assisted by investment in technology for the _ be assisted by investment in technology for the police - be assisted by investment in| technology for the police and be assisted by investment in- technology for the police and crown prosecution— technology for the police and crown prosecution service, _ technology for the police and crown prosecution service, investing - technology for the police and crown prosecution service, investing in i prosecution service, investing in artificial— prosecution service, investing in artificial intelligence _ prosecution service, investing in artificial intelligence and - prosecution service, investing in artificial intelligence and will - prosecution service, investing inj artificial intelligence and will you put the _ artificial intelligence and will you put the money— artificial intelligence and will you put the money in _ artificial intelligence and will you put the money in it— artificial intelligence and will you put the money in it for— artificial intelligence and will you put the money in it for that? - artificial intelligence and will you put the money in it for that? i. put the money in it for that? accept this as an area where technology has moved very fast, evidential— technology has moved very fast, evidential demands can the demands upon the _

evidential demands can the demands upon the cps and the people in the police _ upon the cps and the people in the police caused by this huge quantity of data _ police caused by this huge quantity of data have been very severe and we need technology, artificial intelligence to get to what is actually _ intelligence to get to what is actually necessary for the prosecution of the case. the other treat prosecution of the case. the other great cause _ prosecution of the case. the other great cause of— prosecution of the case. the other great cause of victim _ prosecution of the case. the other great cause of victim attrition - prosecution of the case. the other great cause of victim attrition is i great cause of victim attrition is delays — great cause of victim attrition is delays in — great cause of victim attrition is delays in bringing _ great cause of victim attrition is delays in bringing cases - great cause of victim attrition is delays in bringing cases to- great cause of victim attrition isi delays in bringing cases to court. that— delays in bringing cases to court. that requires— delays in bringing cases to court. that requires courtrooms, - delays in bringing cases to court. | that requires courtrooms, judges delays in bringing cases to court. - that requires courtrooms, judges and lawyers. _ that requires courtrooms, judges and lawyers. will— that requires courtrooms, judges and lawyers. will you _ that requires courtrooms, judges and lawyers. will you review— that requires courtrooms, judges and lawyers. will you review the - that requires courtrooms, judges and lawyers. will you review the level- lawyers. will you review the level of funding — lawyers. will you review the level of funding for— lawyers. will you review the level of funding for the _ lawyers. will you review the level of funding for the courts - lawyers. will you review the level of funding for the courts service i of funding for the courts service and to— of funding for the courts service and to defence _ of funding for the courts service and to defence lawyers - of funding for the courts service and to defence lawyers to - of funding for the courts servicel and to defence lawyers to ensure of funding for the courts service - and to defence lawyers to ensure you have good _ and to defence lawyers to ensure you have good quality— and to defence lawyers to ensure you have good quality lawyers _ and to defence lawyers to ensure you have good quality lawyers who - and to defence lawyers to ensure you have good quality lawyers who can i have good quality lawyers who can handle _ have good quality lawyers who can handle these — have good quality lawyers who can handle these cases _ have good quality lawyers who can handle these cases and _ handle these cases and light—sensitive - handle these cases and light—sensitive fashioni handle these cases and i light—sensitive fashion on handle these cases and - light—sensitive fashion on both sides— light—sensitive fashion on both sides of— light—sensitive fashion on both sides of the _ light—sensitive fashion on both sides of the case? _ light-sensitive fashion on both sides of the case?— light-sensitive fashion on both sides of the case? yes, i have the utmost esteem _ sides of the case? yes, i have the utmost esteem for _ sides of the case? yes, i have the utmost esteem for the _ sides of the case? yes, i have the utmost esteem for the legal - utmost esteem for the legal profession and i'm sure they will do an excellentjob... we profession and i'm sure they will do an excellent job. . ._ an excellent 'ob. .. we are going to ste awa an excellent job. .. we are going to step away from _ an excellent job. .. we are going to step away from events _ an excellent job. .. we are going to step away from events at - step away from events at

westminster, the prime minister giving evidence to mps at the liaison committee, a routine event that happens three times a year, being asked about different issues but primarily focused on the latest sleaze scandal. we will take it back there in a few moments but a bit of breaking news you may have seen on the bottom of the screen. eight british fighterjet the bottom of the screen. eight british fighter jet has the bottom of the screen. eight british fighterjet has crashed. dan johnson is with us, there is news about this after 35 jet johnson is with us, there is news about this after 35jet crashing in the med. iterate about this after 35 'et crashing in the med. ~ . . about this after 35 'et crashing in themed.~ . , the med. we believe this happened about 10am uk _ the med. we believe this happened about 10am uk time _ the med. we believe this happened about 10am uk time as _ the med. we believe this happened about 10am uk time as the - the med. we believe this happened about 10am uk time as the queen i about 10am uk time as the queen elizabeth aircraft carrier was sailing through the mediterranean sea. we were told this was a routine flying operation, a training mission to keep up the pilot's flying hours when something found wrong and the pilot felt they had to reject from the aircraft so the pilot did that

and has been recovered back to the aircraft carrier but it means the jet has gone down into the sea and has been lost. that is an expensive plane, the important thing is that the palette is safe after that search and rescue mission but there will be an investigation to work out what went wrong. by, will be an investigation to work out what went wrong.— will be an investigation to work out what went wrong. a lot of hopes are finned what went wrong. a lot of hopes are inned on what went wrong. a lot of hopes are pinned on this _ what went wrong. a lot of hopes are pinned on this jet, _ what went wrong. a lot of hopes are pinned on this jet, what _ what went wrong. a lot of hopes are pinned on this jet, what do - what went wrong. a lot of hopes are pinned on this jet, what do we - what went wrong. a lot of hopes are pinned on this jet, what do we knowj pinned on this jet, what do we know about the programme for the f357 they're hoping to deliver over 100 of these jets in the fullness of time but it is still in early stages, although it has been in development for a decade it has only been operationalfor the development for a decade it has only been operational for the last couple of years so there are only about 2a with the british armed forces, to lose one that will be a matter of concern so there will be an intense investigation to work out was just a technical problem, was their human error? the mod says this was a routine flying operation, they do

not believe any hostile engagement was involved but they will be trying to work out what went wrong because these are hugely expensive machines and this is supposed to play a major part in britain's air in future. bend part in britain's air in future. and on that issue _ part in britain's air in future. and on that issue of _ part in britain's air in future. and on that issue of cost, _ part in britain's air in future. and on that issue of cost, the pilot site and that is the main thing but hugely expensive and huge investment as far as how many of these jets in the uk and hopes to acquire. estimates vary but we are talking around £100 million for each of thesejets so this around £100 million for each of these jets so this is a major piece of kit. there will be a question about whether there will be an attempt to recover the swamp that has crashed. there will beat stealth technology on board that they won't want to keep secret so whether the raf and navy are able to recover that it will be a question for the future and working out what went wrong and whether this mean something for the rest of the fleet. the mod are saying at the moment

that other f355 will continue flying a5 that other f355 will continue flying as normal but there will be investigation to work out what the problem was and what led to this. the mod says at the moment it would not be appropriate to comment further. . ., ,., not be appropriate to comment further. ., ., , further. dan johnson on the latest ofthat further. dan johnson on the latest of that crash _ further. dan johnson on the latest of that crash landing _ further. dan johnson on the latest of that crash landing of _ further. dan johnson on the latest of that crash landing of a - further. dan johnson on the latest of that crash landing of a f35 - further. dan johnson on the latest of that crash landing of a f35 chat | of that crash landing of a f35 chat in the mediterranean on a routine operation. we are told the pilot is safe and we will return to events at westminster, the prime minister facing questions from mp5 so let's return now. fin facing questions from mps so let's return now— facing questions from mps so let's return now. ~ , ., ., ., return now. on the australian trade deal return now. on the australian trade deal, i return now. on the australian trade deal. i asked _ return now. on the australian trade deal, i asked you _ return now. on the australian trade deal, i asked you on _ return now. on the australian trade deal, i asked you on monday - return now. on the australian trade deal, i asked you on monday and i return now. on the australian trade i deal, i asked you on monday and you didn't answer, we dropped our climate change commitment in that trade deal to get it across the line, do you regret that? as far as i know... no, we did. it line, do you regret that? as far as i know... no, we did. it includes at substantive — i know... no, we did. it includes at substantive chapter _ i know... no, we did. it includes at substantive chapter on _ i know... no, we did. it includes at substantive chapter on climate - substantive chapter on climate change — substantive chapter on climate change which reaffirms the

commitment of both parties to uphold their obligations under the paris agreement including limiting global warming _ agreement including limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees and australia double _ warming to 1.5 degrees and australia double i_ warming to 1.5 degrees and australia double i make correct you their double — double i make correct you their double australia double prime minister, my question is not on australia... _ minister, my question is not on australia... i am minister, my question is not on australia... iam not minister, my question is not on australia... i am not here as spokesman for australia... my question. _ spokesman for australia... iii question, prime spokesman for australia... m question, prime minister... spokesman for australia... m1 question, prime minister... what you give the department for levelling up housing and community is the power to block decisions such as new coal mines in the uk?— mines in the uk? these are matters that are already _ mines in the uk? these are matters that are already for _ mines in the uk? these are matters that are already for the _ mines in the uk? these are matters that are already for the relevant - that are already for the relevant planning — that are already for the relevant planning authority... i that are already for the relevant planning authority. . ._ that are already for the relevant planning authority... i am asking if after co planning authority... i am asking if after cap 26 _ planning authority... i am asking if after cap 26 you — planning authority. .. i am asking if after cop 26 you will— planning authority... i am asking if after cop 26 you will give _ planning authority... i am asking if after cop 26 you will give new - after cop 26 you will give new powers to the department? these are already matters _ powers to the department? these are already matters for _ powers to the department? these are already matters for the _ powers to the department? these are already matters for the relevant - already matters for the relevant planning — already matters for the relevant planning authority and what people can see _ planning authority and what people can see is — planning authority and what people can see is this government leads the world _ can see is this government leads the world in— can see is this government leads the world in moving away from coal and

actually _ world in moving away from coal and actually what you've got at cop 26 was a _ actually what you've got at cop 26 was a remarkable and historic event, as greenpeace themselves... thank ou, as greenpeace themselves... thank you. prime — as greenpeace themselves... thank you, prime minister, _ as greenpeace themselves. .. thank you, prime minister, i— as greenpeace themselves... thank you, prime minister, i asked - as greenpeace themselves... thank you, prime minister, i asked the - you, prime minister, i asked the question because we are not looking for new coal mine for the uk for the steel industry instead of helping the steel industry move away from coal, we are facilitating a new coal mine and there was progress at cop 26 but not sufficient progress. do you not think our actions undermined our ambitions? you not think our actions undermined ourambitions? i you not think our actions undermined our ambitions?— our ambitions? i think our actions convince the _ our ambitions? i think our actions convince the world _ our ambitions? i think our actions convince the world it _ our ambitions? i think our actions convince the world it could - our ambitions? i think our actions convince the world it could be - our ambitions? i think our actions. convince the world it could be done and in _ convince the world it could be done and in the — convince the world it could be done and in the uk we had an exemplar of and in the uk we had an exemplar of a country— and in the uk we had an exemplar of a country that used to be 80% dependent on coal for electricity 50 years— dependent on coal for electricity 50 years ago. — dependent on coal for electricity 50 years ago, it's now less than 1% dependent _ years ago, it's now less than 1% dependent were one or 2% dependent on coal— dependent were one or 2% dependent on coal and _ dependent were one or 2% dependent on coal and we will go to zero carbon— on coal and we will go to zero carbon in— on coal and we will go to zero carbon in our power generation

system — carbon in our power generation system it_ carbon in our power generation system. it is quite an astonishing lhing~ _ system. it is quite an astonishing thin. , ., system. it is quite an astonishing thing-_ that - system. it is quite an astonishing thing._ that was| system. it is quite an astonishing . thing._ that was the thing. next question... that was the most powerful _ thing. next question... that was the most powerful argument _ thing. next question... that was the most powerful argument we - thing. next question... that was the most powerful argument we have. . thing. next question... that was the l most powerful argument we have. the next most powerful argument we have. next question most powerful argument we have. iie: next question is on climate aid. it has been suggested that to meet our climate aid commitments at cop 26 the foreign office will need to spend on average £2.3 billion a year which is an increase of 140%. that was not in the budget from the chancellor recently. when will the chancellor recently. when will the chancellor update the house on increased commitments? i don't reco . nise increased commitments? i don't recognise your _ increased commitments? i don't recognise your figures, - increased commitments? i don't recognise your figures, the - increased commitments? i don't recognise your figures, the ones increased commitments? i don't. recognise your figures, the ones i have _ recognise your figures, the ones i have in— recognise your figures, the ones i have in nry— recognise your figures, the ones i have in my head are we have committed to 11.6 billion pounds of climate _ committed to 11.6 billion pounds of climate aid or aid to developing countries — climate aid or aid to developing countries to go green, we further said that — countries to go green, we further said that when we go back to 0.7 which _ said that when we go back to 0.7 which the — said that when we go back to 0.7 which the chancellor's budget predicts— which the chancellor's budget predicts we will go back to bite

2024 _ predicts we will go back to bite 2024 or— predicts we will go back to bite 2024 or 2025, we will have a further £1 2024 or 2025, we will have a further it billion _ 2024 or 2025, we will have a further it billion so — 2024 or 2025, we will have a further £1 billion so that is a £126 tiillion_ £1 billion so that is a £12.6 billion commitment, an astonishing sum of— billion commitment, an astonishing sum of money and most people in this country— sum of money and most people in this country are _ sum of money and most people in this country are amazed that we are making — country are amazed that we are making such a contribution and doing it because _ making such a contribution and doing it because it's the right thing to do. ~ ., , , . ., it because it's the right thing to do. , do. maybe we can confirm the figures in writin: do. maybe we can confirm the figures in writing afterwards. _ do. maybe we can confirm the figures in writing afterwards. it's _ do. maybe we can confirm the figures in writing afterwards. it's been - in writing afterwards. it's been reported in are minded to split up the business energy department to give alok sharma his own department. when i asked the minister about this, he disagreed. irate when i asked the minister about this, he disagreed.— when i asked the minister about this, he disagreed. we have no such lans and this, he disagreed. we have no such plans and one _ this, he disagreed. we have no such plans and one of _ this, he disagreed. we have no such plans and one of the _ this, he disagreed. we have no such plans and one of the great things . plans and one of the great things about— plans and one of the great things about cop— plans and one of the great things about cop 26 was that we brought husinessm — about cop 26 was that we brought business... if about cop 26 was that we brought lousiness- - -_ business... if there are no such lans, business... if there are no such plans. that _ business... if there are no such plans, that answers _ business... if there are no such plans, that answers my - business... if there are no such l plans, that answers my question. business... if there are no such - plans, that answers my question. my last question is about the inquiry into the mine workers' pension scheme. we called for 100% profits

to go out to pensioners rather than the government pocketing 50% and during the 2019 election campaign in mansfield you said here you wanted to tell mansfield that we will make sure no mansfield miner or any other mineworker signed up to the pension scheme is out of pocket, we will make sure all their cash is fully protected and returned, that you rejected my committee's proposals to return those profits to the pensioners. i'm not sure why you told those voters you had looked into it and would return all that cash because since then the government has not done either. did you mislead those voters? i can government has not done either. did you mislead those voters?— you mislead those voters? i can tell ou that i you mislead those voters? i can tell you that i certainly _ you mislead those voters? i can tell you that i certainly didn't _ you mislead those voters? i can tell you that i certainly didn't wish - you mislead those voters? i can tell you that i certainly didn't wish to i you that i certainly didn't wish to -ive you that i certainly didn't wish to give those — you that i certainly didn't wish to give those voters any false impression you said specifically you would _ impression you said specifically you would ensure it would be done and you said _ would ensure it would be done and you said it— would ensure it would be done and you said it was categorical and suggested there was some thought behind _ suggested there was some thought behind it. _ suggested there was some thought behind it, you haven'tjust mistakenly misled voters? i will

have _ mistakenly misled voters? i will have to — mistakenly misled voters? i will have to get back to you on my guotation _ have to get back to you on my quotation to the mansfield chap and i will quotation to the mansfield chap and i will write _ quotation to the mansfield chap and i will write to you as soon as i can — i will write to you as soon as i can. ., ~' i will write to you as soon as i can. ., ~ , ., i will write to you as soon as i can. . ~ , ., ~ , can. thank you, prime minister, we will earpect — can. thank you, prime minister, we will expect that, _ can. thank you, prime minister, we will expect that, so _ can. thank you, prime minister, we will expect that, so moving - can. thank you, prime minister, we will expect that, so moving on - can. thank you, prime minister, we will expect that, so moving on to i will expect that, so moving on to the will expect that, so moving onto the chairman— will expect that, so moving onto the chairman of— will expect that, so moving on to the chairman of the _ will expect that, so moving on to the chairman of the environment| the chairman of the environment audit— the chairman of the environment audit committee. _ the chairman of the environment audit committee. [n— the chairman of the environment audit committee.— the chairman of the environment audit committee. in your opening remarks to _ audit committee. in your opening remarks to the _ audit committee. in your opening remarks to the cop _ audit committee. in your opening remarks to the cop 26 _ audit committee. in your opening j remarks to the cop 26 conference audit committee. in your opening i remarks to the cop 26 conference in glasgow, you make sure your your commitment to irrefutably turning the tide and beginning the fightback against climate change. what changes do you think you need to make to the structure of government to deliver net zero britain? i structure of government to deliver net zero britain?— net zero britain? i think the government _ net zero britain? i think the government is _ net zero britain? i think the government is well- net zero britain? i think the i government is well structured net zero britain? i think the - government is well structured to deliver— government is well structured to deliver zero in the uk and what we have _ deliver zero in the uk and what we have is— deliver zero in the uk and what we have is a _ deliver zero in the uk and what we have is a president in alok sharma who will— have is a president in alok sharma who will help to ensure our climate change _ who will help to ensure our climate change objectives, the world's objectives are delivered, and he

will work— objectives are delivered, and he will work with the incoming egyptian presidency of cop 26, the emiratis who will— presidency of cop 26, the emiratis who will he — presidency of cop 26, the emiratis who will be running the cop28 and the real— who will be running the cop28 and the real work is global, we have to make _ the real work is global, we have to make sure — the real work is global, we have to make sure of the 190 countries stick to the _ make sure of the 190 countries stick to the commitments they made and make _ to the commitments they made and make cop26 real. so to the commitments they made and make cop26 real.— make cop26 real. so his focus will be on delivering _ make cop26 real. so his focus will be on delivering global— make cop26 real. so his focus will. be on delivering global commitments. at the moment he chairs the information committee which relates to the uk, will he continue to chat that committee —— implementation committee? that committee -- implementation committee?— that committee —— implementation committee? yes. and when did you last chair the _ committee? yes. and when did you last chair the strategic committee that sits above it? it last chair the strategic committee that sits above it?— that sits above it? it was not very lona a . o. that sits above it? it was not very long ago- when _ that sits above it? it was not very long ago. when will _ that sits above it? it was not very long ago. when will you - that sits above it? it was not very long ago. when will you be - that sits above it? it was not very l long ago. when will you be chairing the next one? _

long ago. when will you be chairing the next one? we _ long ago. when will you be chairing the next one? we are _ long ago. when will you be chairing the next one? we are driving - long ago. when will you be chairing the next one? we are driving the i the next one? we are driving the whole brain _ the next one? we are driving the whole brain industrial— the next one? we are driving the whole brain industrial revolution | whole brain industrial revolution and it's— whole brain industrial revolution and it's something i set out in ten point _ and it's something i set out in ten point plan~~~ _ and it's something i set out in ten point plan... leading from the centre — point plan... leading from the centre but— point plan... leading from the centre but also relying on departments of state to get on and do it and _ departments of state to get on and do it and i— departments of state to get on and do it and i pay tribute to alok sharma — do it and i pay tribute to alok sharma and also to cause a core tank and his— sharma and also to cause a core tank and his department and many other ministers _ and his department and many other ministers who are running with this agenda _ ministers who are running with this agenda and — ministers who are running with this agenda and since we produced the ten point plan _ agenda and since we produced the ten point plan we have actually seen investment in green technology in this country to the order of £15 billion— this country to the order of £15 billion and the creation of many thousands ofjobs. you billion and the creation of many thousands of jobs. thousands of 'obs. you have said the lan thousands of jobs. you have said they plan coming _ thousands of jobs. you have said they plan coming out _ thousands of jobs. you have said they plan coming out of- thousands of jobs. you have said they plan coming out of the - they plan coming out of the galloping the strategy, at parlours of civil service level, but the challenge is the bass department,

only won six of its activities relate to left more or less to their own devices to deliver, and there is not the kind of oversight that would allow you to ensure well, that is behind on the fourth and fifth and sixth carbon budget. the oversight is the green _ sixth carbon budget. the oversight is the green industrial _ sixth carbon budget. the oversight is the green industrial revolution, l is the green industrial revolution, the ten _ is the green industrial revolution, the ten on — is the green industrial revolution, the ten on a cb six, for instance, the only that we are continuing to push only that we are continuing to push on very— only that we are continuing to push on very hard. it will be very tough, and it—

on very hard. it will be very tough, and it i_ on very hard. it will be very tough, and it i provided government gets behind _ and it i provided government gets behind it— and it i provided government gets behind it and shows that it is committed it is now falling, the price _ committed it is now falling, the price of— committed it is now falling, the price of wind and solar are cop26 president — price of wind and solar are cop26 president is going to continue to cherish— president is going to continue to cherish much i think is a good idea, although— cherish much i think is a good idea, although it — cherish much i think is a good idea, although it diverting him from which seems _ although it diverting him from which seems we _ although it diverting him from which seems we discussed with opposition and the _ seems we discussed with opposition and the remit of the committee to make _ and the remit of the committee to make sure — and the remit of the committee to make sure they have the necessary powers _ make sure they have the necessary powers to — make sure they have the necessary powers to deliver a cross government? because all the evidence we have _ government? because all the evidence we have had from our committee is that there — we have had from our committee is that there is — we have had from our committee is that there is considerable lack of joined _ that there is considerable lack of joined up — that there is considerable lack of joined up activity across government to deliver— joined up activity across government to deliver this agenda? we have multiple — to deliver this agenda? we have multiple ministers appearing before us and _ multiple ministers appearing before us and they regularly say they have no responsibility for the subject that we — no responsibility for the subject that we the whole deliver we can see

the efforts _ that we the whole deliver we can see the efforts what we are producing record _ the efforts what we are producing record sums of technology, we are reducing _ record sums of technology, we are reducing carbon output, and we are producing _ reducing carbon output, and we are producing many tens of my final question— producing many tens of my final question per minister, is the us secretary— question per minister, is the us secretary general in his opening remarks — secretary general in his opening remarks that his intent for performance by cop26, so new metrics and measurements, to produce your government— and measurements, to produce your government the measurements are there _ government the measurements are there for— government the measurements are there for everyone to see. in the so that on the remit of every metric and power groups, tojust

in the so that on the remit of every metric and power groups, to just to follow up his machinery points. i’m follow up his machinery points. i'm 'ust follow up his machinery points. i'm just surprise you're happy which you. _ just surprise you're happy which you. and — just surprise you're happy which you, and the covid—19, i seem to remember— you, and the covid—19, i seem to remember you you, and the covid—19, i seem to rememberyou are very you, and the covid—19, i seem to remember you are very frustrated with it _ remember you are very frustrated with it you — remember you are very frustrated with it. you did not feel? are the lessons _ with it. you did not feel? are the lessons we — with it. you did not feel? are the lessons we have learned from covid-i9 _ lessons we have learned from covid—19 that we and give the public confidence — covid—19 that we and give the public confidence that we are going to... a? i_ confidence that we are going to... a? i did _ confidence that we are going to... a? i did not. _ confidence that we are going to... a? i did not, i do not think i said the beauty of the ten point plan was that it set out pretty clearly where we need and how what a for each so

aren't. .. we need and how what a for each so aren't... we the things to make each of i think that will but covid—19 demonstrated that if you produce real data, engage the public, and set up the machinery to miracles. is that no need to do with the post mike _ that no need to do with the post mike too— that no need to do with the post mike too hard, with her, to everyone selling _ mike too hard, with her, to everyone selling the _ mike too hard, with her, to everyone selling the data where thank i would like to _ selling the data where thank i would like to talk— selling the data where thank i would like to talk about the practicalities.- like to talk about the practicalities. like to talk about the racticalities. ,, , . , ., ., practicalities. signed up as one of the countries _ practicalities. signed up as one of the countries to _ practicalities. signed up as one of the countries to reduce _ practicalities. signed up as one of the countries to reduce methanel practicalities. signed up as one of. the countries to reduce methane we

have got— the countries to reduce methane we have got much— the countries to reduce methane we have got much industry— the countries to reduce methane we have got much industry produced i the countries to reduce methane wej have got much industry produced on the countries to reduce methane we l have got much industry produced on a permanent— have got much industry produced on a permanent pasture, _ have got much industry produced on a permanent pasture, and _ have got much industry produced on a permanent pasture, and that - permanent pasture, and that permanent _ permanent pasture, and that permanent pasture _ permanent pasture, and that permanent pasture holds- permanent pasture, and that permanent pasture holds a l permanent pasture, and that. permanent pasture holds a lot permanent pasture, and that - permanent pasture holds a lot of carbon _ permanent pasture holds a lot of carbon in — permanent pasture holds a lot of carbon in there _ permanent pasture holds a lot of carbon in there is _ permanent pasture holds a lot of carbon in there is a _ permanent pasture holds a lot of carbon in there is a good - permanent pasture holds a lot of| carbon in there is a good reducing our methane? _ carbon in there is a good reducing our methane? is— carbon in there is a good reducing our methane? is it _ carbon in there is a good reducing our methane? is it cattle - carbon in there is a good reducing our methane? is it cattle of- carbon in there is a good reducing. our methane? is it cattle of exmoor? i do our methane? is it cattle of exmoor? i do not _ our methane? is it cattle of exmoor? i do not think— our methane? is it cattle of exmoor? i do not think we _ our methane? is it cattle of exmoor? i do not think we want _ our methane? is it cattle of exmoor? i do not think we want that. - our methane? is it cattle of exmoor? i do not think we want that. had - i do not think we want that. had we help farmers — i do not think we want that. had we help farmers to _ i do not think we want that. had we help farmers to get _ i do not think we want that. had we help farmers to get to _ i do not think we want that. had we help farmers to get to by _ i do not think we want that. had we help farmers to get to by reducing i help farmers to get to by reducing numbers, — help farmers to get to by reducing numbers, but— help farmers to get to by reducing numbers, but bringing _ help farmers to get to by reducing numbers, but bringing in- help farmers to get to by reducing numbers, but bringing in new- numbers, but bringing in new technologies, _ numbers, but bringing in new technologies, what— numbers, but bringing in new technologies, what can - numbers, but bringing in new technologies, what can we i numbers, but bringing in newj technologies, what can we do numbers, but bringing in new. technologies, what can we do to there _ technologies, what can we do to there are — technologies, what can we do to there are very— technologies, what can we do to there are very substantial- technologies, what can we do to i there are very substantial progress is being _ there are very substantial progress is being made. _ there are very substantial progress is being made, with _ there are very substantial progress is being made, with to— land

i and these there is a dutch company there _ i and these there is a dutch company there is— i and these there is a dutch company there is and — i and these there is a dutch company there is and had _ i and these there is a dutch company there is and had a _ i and these there is a dutch company there is and had a few— i and these there is a dutch company there is and had a few attitudes - there is and had a few attitudes 30%. _ there is and had a few attitudes 30%, so— there is and had a few attitudes 30%, so i— there is and had a few attitudes 30%, so i think— there is and had a few attitudes 30%, so i think there _ there is and had a few attitudes 30%, so i think there is- there is and had a few attitudes 30%, so i think there is a - there is and had a few attitudes 30%, so i think there is a lot i 30%, so i think there is a lot we can do — 30%, so i think there is a lot we can do can— 30%, so i think there is a lot we can do can you _ 30%, so i think there is a lot we can do. can you commit - 30%, so i think there is a lot we can do. can you commit also - 30%, so i think there is a lot we i can do. can you commit also with that new— can do. can you commit also with that new in — can do. can you commit also with that new in being _ can do. can you commit also with that new in being an _ can do. can you commit also with that new in being an important i that new in being an important additive. — that new in being an important additive, they— that new in being an important additive, they are _ that new in being an important additive, they are working - that new in being an important additive, they are working on i that new in being an important. additive, they are working on that sort the _ additive, they are working on that sort the sort — additive, they are working on that sort the sort of _ additive, they are working on that sort the sort of grass _ additive, they are working on that sort the sort of grass they - additive, they are working on that sort the sort of grass they graze, i sort the sort of grass they graze, the more — sort the sort of grass they graze, the more easier— sort the sort of grass they graze, the more easier they— sort the sort of grass they graze, the more easier they can - sort the sort of grass they graze, the more easier they can digest, | sort the sort of grass they graze, . the more easier they can digest, the less methane — the more easier they can digest, the less methane gas— the more easier they can digest, the less methane gas they _ the more easier they can digest, the less methane gas they give - the more easier they can digest, the less methane gas they give off. - less methane gas they give off. there _ less methane gas they give off. there is— less methane gas they give off. there is much— less methane gas they give off. there is much we _ less methane gas they give off. there is much we many- less methane gas they give off. there is much we many banks i less methane gas they give off. i there is much we many banks role less methane gas they give off. - there is much we many banks role the equivalent— there is much we many banks role the equivalent of— there is much we many banks role the equivalent of twice _ there is much we many banks role the equivalent of twice the _ there is much we many banks role the equivalent of twice the rain _ there is much we many banks role the equivalent of twice the rain forests - equivalent of twice the rain forests in the _

equivalent of twice the rain forests in the last— equivalent of twice the rain forests in the last one? _ equivalent of twice the rain forests in the last one? the _ equivalent of twice the rain forests in the last one?— in the last one? the yes, but that is what they _ in the last one? the yes, but that is what they all _ in the last one? the yes, but that is what they all agree. _ in the last one? the yes, but that is what they all agree. i _ in the last one? the yes, but that is what they all agree. i -- - in the last one? the yes, but that is what they all agree. i -- one, | is what they all agree. i —— one, barclays. — is what they all agree. i —— one, barclays, aviva, i can't remember. a and what _ barclays, aviva, i can't remember. a and what that — barclays, aviva, i can't remember. a and what that means their account holders. _ and what that means their account holders, their shareholders, their customers, — holders, their shareholders, their customers, will hold if they continue _ customers, will hold if they continue to halt and reverse deforestation is underpinned by, not to fund _ deforestation is underpinned by, not to fund it _ deforestation is underpinned by, not tofund it~ —

deforestation is underpinned by, not to fund it. ..., deforestation is underpinned by, not to fund it. , crane companies, cargo— to fund it. , crane companies, cargo products— to fund it. , crane companies, cargo products because it comes from deforestation and land. yes, cargo products because it comes from deforestation and land.— deforestation and land. yes, again, savannah's — deforestation and land. yes, again, savannah's been _ deforestation and land. yes, again, savannah's been planted _ deforestation and land. yes, again, savannah's been planted to - deforestation and land. yes, again, savannah's been planted to raise i savannah's been planted to raise beans, _ savannah's been planted to raise beans, so — savannah's been planted to raise beans, so all— savannah's been planted to raise beans, so all of _ savannah's been planted to raise beans, so all of it _ savannah's been planted to raise beans, so all of it is— savannah's been planted to raise beans, so all of it is very - savannah's been planted to raisel beans, so all of it is very laudable what has — beans, so all of it is very laudable what has gone _ beans, so all of it is very laudable what has gone on _ beans, so all of it is very laudable what has gone on at cop, - beans, so all of it is very laudable what has gone on at cop, but- beans, so all of it is very laudable what has gone on at cop, but i. beans, so all of it is very laudable i what has gone on at cop, but i think we need _ what has gone on at cop, but i think we need to— what has gone on at cop, but i think we need to make an— what has gone on at cop, but i think we need to make an effect— what has gone on at cop, but i think we need to make an effect of what i what has gone on at cop, but i think. we need to make an effect of what we buy, and _ we need to make an effect of what we buy, and that — we need to make an effect of what we buy, and that we _ we need to make an effect of what we buy, and that we do _ we need to make an effect of what we buy, and that we do production- we need to make an effect of what we buy, and that we do production in- buy, and that we do production in this no, _ buy, and that we do production in this no, not— buy, and that we do production in this no, not like _ buy, and that we do production in this no, not like there _ buy, and that we do production in this no, not like there is - buy, and that we do production in this no, not like there is no - buy, and that we do production in| this no, not like there is no power greater— this no, not like there is no power greater then — this no, not like there is no power greater then the _ this no, not like there is no power greater then the power— this no, not like there is no power greater then the powerthat- this no, not like there is no power greater then the power that is what eo - le in, greater then the power that is what people in. people _ greater then the power that is what people in, people the _ greater then the power that is what people in, people the firms - greater then the power that is what people in, people the firms whose | people in, people the firms whose food where it comes from, and huge numbers, _ food where it comes from, and huge numbers, large numbers of companies at... �* . numbers, large numbers of companies at... . . . ~ , at... and that also, prime minister, leads me to —

at... and that also, prime minister, leads me to recognise _ at... and that also, prime minister, leads me to recognise in _ at... and that also, prime minister, leads me to recognise in our - at... and that also, prime minister, leads me to recognise in our trade i leads me to recognise in our trade deals. _ leads me to recognise in our trade deals, i_ leads me to recognise in our trade deals, i certainly— leads me to recognise in our trade deals, i certainly think _ leads me to recognise in our trade deals, i certainly think you - leads me to recognise in our trade deals, i certainly think you on - leads me to recognise in our trade deals, i certainly think you on all. deals, i certainly think you on all the deals, i certainly think you 0 the countries concerned, that deals, i certainly think you on“ the countries concerned, that we are doing _ the countries concerned, that we are doing trade _ the countries concerned, that we are doing trade deals with, as you know, that they— doing trade deals with, as you know, that they signed greenbacks so provided we are not importing land from deforestation land. plastics— from deforestation land. plastics are predicted to being a bigger— plastics are predicted to being a bigger carbon emitter than it cold, and i_ bigger carbon emitter than it cold, and i think— bigger carbon emitter than it cold, and i think you are dedicated, like iami _ and i think you are dedicated, like iam. to— and i think you are dedicated, like i am, to plastic used. the trouble is, a _ i am, to plastic used. the trouble is, a lot— i am, to plastic used. the trouble is, a lot of— i am, to plastic used. the trouble is, a lot of the government efforts at plastic— is, a lot of the government efforts at plastic waste and recycling. that may be _ at plastic waste and recycling. that may be laudable, but in the end, if we can— may be laudable, but in the end, if we can actually reduce we use in the first place. _ we can actually reduce we use in the first place. i— we can actually reduce we use in the first place, i think that would be a much _ first place, i think that would be a much better... , the new tax on the original— much better... , the new tax on the original plastics when we make the plastic— original plastics when we make the plastic in— original plastics when we make the plastic in the first place? because

you have — plastic in the first place? because you have got to have a method to actually _ you have got to have a method to actually reduce the amount of plastics — actually reduce the amount of plastics we— plastics we you answer is not recycling. — plastics we you answer is not recycling. as _ plastics we you answer is not recycling, as you _ plastics we you answer is not recycling, as you know, - plastics we you answer is not recycling, as you know, the i plastics we you answer is not - recycling, as you know, the measures to stop the developing countries, as we said in a manifesto which is i believe right,, so with charging for bags in supermarkets, that led to, i think,. we bags in supermarkets, that led to, i think,. ~ . bags in supermarkets, that led to, i think,. . , ., . think,. we 'ust need to get a de osit think,. we just need to get a deposit return _ think,. we just need to get a deposit return scheme, - think,. we just need to get a deposit return scheme, so i think,. we just need to get a i deposit return scheme, so that think,. we just need to get a - deposit return scheme, so that we have _ deposit return scheme, so that we have all— deposit return scheme, so that we have all been delaying, so whether it is bottles or whatever, also up and running?—

it is bottles or whatever, also up and running? yes but also what we need to the — and running? yes but also what we need to the which _ and running? yes but also what we need to the which comes _ and running? yes but also what we need to the which comes before i and running? yes but also what we i need to the which comes before reuse or recycle, reduce, reduce, reduce, and the i think it is maybe seaweed again. see which seems to be it is notjust again. see which seems to be it is not just seaweed, again. see which seems to be it is notjust seaweed, there are plenty of others... notjust seaweed, there are plenty of others- - -— notjust seaweed, there are plenty of others... . . . ., of others... the chairman of the can i 'ust take of others... the chairman of the can ljust take you _ of others... the chairman of the can i just take you back _ of others... the chairman of the can i just take you back to _ of others... the chairman of the can i just take you back to announce - of others... the chairman of the canj i just take you back to announce you ijust take you back to announce you io ijust take you back to announce you go to— ijust take you back to announce you go to any— ijust take you back to announce you go to any question _ ijust take you back to announce you go to any question about _ go to any question about relationship _ go to any question about relationship education? i go to any question aboutl relationship education? it go to any question about relationship education? it should have been mandatory _ relationship education? it should have been mandatory for- relationship education? it should have been mandatory for all- relationship education? it should i have been mandatory for all primary schools. _ have been mandatory for all primary schools, but that has not happened. could _ schools, but that has not happened. could i_ schools, but that has not happened. could i ask— schools, but that has not happened. could i ask you to intervene and make _ could i ask you to intervene and make sure — could i ask you to intervene and make sure it is mandatory because it is the _ make sure it is mandatory because it is the key— make sure it is mandatory because it is the key to— make sure it is mandatory because it is the key to preventing child abuse and violence against women and girls _ and violence against women and girls let — and violence against women and girls. let that brought to my attention before. i girls. let that brought to my attention before.—

girls. let that brought to my attention before. i will looki can remember. _ attention before. i will looki can remember. it — attention before. i will looki can remember, it has _ attention before. i will looki can remember, it has not _ attention before. i will looki can remember, it has not thank- attention before. i will looki can remember, it has not thank you. attention before. i will looki can i remember, it has not thank you. can i turn to afghanistan. i'm sure you will agree — i turn to afghanistan. i'm sure you will agree with me, is looking like hell you _ will agree with me, is looking like hell you have got the drought, the floods. _ hell you have got the drought, the floods, the conflict, millions of displacements, the infrastructure is collapsing, facing starvation over what _ collapsing, facing starvation over what is _ collapsing, facing starvation over what is going to be a i really welcome _ what is going to be a i really welcome the —— they are committing to putting _ welcome the —— they are committing to putting in — welcome the —— they are committing to putting in more aid, but i how you actually think doubled the aid to £286_ you actually think doubled the aid to £286 million, as you know, we are working _ to £286 million, as you know, we are working as _ to £286 million, as you know, we are working as fast as we can to ensure you. _ and you the problem, prime minister, with much—

and you the problem, prime minister, with much of— and you the problem, prime minister, with much of it was done from within, — with much of it was done from within, and if we are expecting them, — within, and if we are expecting them, that is the first danger. | them, that is the first danger. i our position clear to the we expect as provided for also engage with the taliban. this is a that when kabul fell and we had the change of regime, in the ukjust standing on to engage they may not speak with all they are not some kind of

authority are not a perfect authority, the uk for the sake of the people that we are talking about. if we are going to get aid through, so out. —— to send him out. job in talking we do not necessarily relish the things they have said see practical advantage for the and how much of the 12.6 billion that you have pledged full climate finance will actually be spent on i cannot give you and lots cop26 was because we had the chapter on i'm sure the answer is out there, but i will come back to. . ~

answer is out there, but i will come back to. . ,, i. answer is out there, but i will come back to. . ,, . , back to. thank you. i really welcome ou have back to. thank you. i really welcome you have signed _ back to. thank you. i really welcome you have signed fossil— back to. thank you. i really welcome you have signed fossil fuel _ you have signed fossil fuel subsidies, so does this mean that you are _ subsidies, so does this mean that you are now— subsidies, so does this mean that you are now on low through the uk export— you are now on low through the uk export finance organisation and the money— export finance organisation and the money development corporation? yes, for middle income _ money development corporation? isis for middle income countries, for every country that is having difficulty in which is loads and model of the we set out the portfolio of projects, the big

banks, to these are projects where people can make cut co2, so that is what we are working on. the people can make cut c02, so that is what we are working on. the problem at the we temporarily _ what we are working on. the problem at the we temporarily leave _ what we are working on. the problem at the we temporarily leave the i at the we temporarily leave the events — at the we temporarily leave the events there in westminster. the prime minister _ events there in westminster. iie: prime minister at give events there in westminster. ii9 prime minister at give all sorts of responses to all but there has been of course the recent budget and spending review, cop26 and a bouncy coronavirus response. we will return then just a moment, coronavirus response. we will return thenjust a moment, but coronavirus response. we will return then just a moment, but staying with that issue of covid—19, we are being told will be ministers in stormont voted to the dup opposed the plans, but the party did not deploy a cross—community voting mechanism to block the introduction of vaccine certification. joining me now is our ireland correspondent, chris page.

good afternoon to you, chris. bring us up to date what applications could have. fish us up to date what applications could have-— us up to date what applications could have. : .., . , , could have. an important ministers in the devolved _ could have. an important ministers in the devolved governments i could have. an important ministers in the devolved governments to i in the devolved governments to discuss the whole idea of making vaccine passports mandatory, a number of hospitality venues are already using vaccine a can get on their phones, the government app. it has been opting on a voluntary basis, but ministers have been looking at whether or not it should be made compulsory. the matter went to a vote and by six votes to four, ministers parties who voted in favour peter committee, and the ulster unionist party robert swan is a member of against was a democratic unionist party. a number of them incentives have vaccine passports

compulsory, they have said for example, that it would be against libertarian principles, that they did not a big enough impact to justify the intrusion, as they saw it on people's day—to—day life, however, they did not come as you say, deploying the cross community veto that they could have used in order to block a proposal, so the proposal has. it is understood that from the 29th of november, people going to the likes of concerts, going to the likes of concerts, going to the likes of concerts, going to the likes proof for two weeks before before the is to start, they will be starting to offer proof of vaccination from the end of this month, but it will only be in the middle of december before the scheme is in force. a few more details to be worked out, and it is a new paper will be brought forward by the stormont form and assist you to consider so stormont form and assist you to conside .., . ., stormont form and assist you to conside .., .., , ., consider so it could be the 13th of

december that _ consider so it could be the 13th of december that that _ consider so it could be the 13th of december that that chris, - consider so it could be the 13th of december that that chris, what i consider so it could be the 13th of december that that chris, what is consider so it could be the 13th of i december that that chris, what is so interesting about the different sponsors we have seen from the devolved nations is the way they are responding to the local situation as and i think by my reckoning it means that england is the only place that now does not require a vaccine it has about vaccine passports, in northern ireland for across the hospitality opened a few weeks ago, there some people for and the stormont executive were looking to back that as an example, but others to bring down the and this is the most sensible thing to do at this stage. important to bear in mind, though, that in the paper that was put, it is understood before the stormont executive today, the health minister robert swan said that even

if vaccine passports were made compulsory, as is now happening, that might not be enough to curb the level of infection here which are still more tougher restrictions to be this side of christmas. all parties are say they hope that things don't come to that, but clearly, there is a possibility that yes, and it has been very clear of how quickly this situation can change, but for now, thank you the news they're that mandatory vaccine passports are to be introduced in northern ireland. that is after stormont ministers voted by a majority to support the move. that now brings northern ireland in line with scotland and wales. is as far as vaccine passports but, as yet, england vaccine passports for those public venues that chris was just as promised, will now return to those

events in westminster. we have been following boris johnson events in westminster. we have been following borisjohnson giving evidence, being questioned by mps on a whole range of different issues, covid—19 was one of them, but we go is that something you're comfortable with and _ is that something you're comfortable with and how does your ambition was getting _ with and how does your ambition was getting taxes down? what with and how does your ambition was getting taxes down?— getting taxes down? what the chancellor _ getting taxes down? what the chancellor all _ getting taxes down? what the chancellor all of _ getting taxes down? what the chancellor all of very - chancellor all of very considerably... there is going to £1200, blue macbook prime minister, the tax burden is going to go a very considerably overall, tax increases, we had, broadly based tax increases that i just wonder we had, broadly based tax increases that ijust wonder how we had, broadly based tax increases that i just wonder how you we had, broadly based tax increases that ijust wonder how you think we're going to get those taxes down given all the spending unemployment

people said it would be levels we saw it is quite unemployment wasteful we're but the forecast on growth going forward is the chance of�*s strategy is, but i certainly support, is that to make sure to the physical impacts of

covid—19, the long term investments, we need to driver productivity and gets growth looking at for decades, this... . . r' gets growth looking at for decades, this... , .., . , this... , 'ust ask in productivity, prime this... , just ask in productivity, prime minister, _ this... , just ask in productivity, prime minister, you _ this... , just ask in productivity, prime minister, you have i this... , just ask in productivity, prime minister, you have urged| this... , just ask in productivity, i prime minister, you have urged at various— prime minister, you have urged at various points that companies should p5y~ various points that companies should pay do— various points that companies should pay. do you — various points that companies should pay. do you accept that if wages go up, we _ pay. do you accept that if wages go up, we suggest that maybe it won't be going _ up, we suggest that maybe it won't be going up in the coming years, not 'ust be going up in the coming years, not just leads _ be going up in the coming years, not just leads to — be going up in the coming years, not just leads to inflation. are you concerned _ just leads to inflation. are you concerned about inflation and the impact _ concerned about inflation and the impact that could have on the public finances? _ impact that could have on the public finances? l — impact that could have on the public finances? ~ , ., . . , finances? i think you have always not to finances? i think you have always got to watch _ finances? i think you have always got to watch inflation, _ finances? i think you have always got to watch inflation, the - finances? i think you have always i got to watch inflation, the numbers today, the the differences in an economy coming but i would rather

have a and employee at —— employees in a situation which you both in the when millions and millions of people were unfairly, are necessarily having the talent and what i hope dot you are quite right in the point you with productivity. but dot you are quite right in the point you with productivity.— you with productivity. but that is a critical point- _ you with productivity. but that is a critical point. this _ you with productivity. but that is a critical point. this is _ you with productivity. but that is a critical point. this is why - you with productivity. but that is a critical point. this is why we i you with productivity. but that is a critical point. this is why we the i critical point. this is why we the other ingredients _ critical point. this is why we the other ingredients that _ critical point. this is why we the other ingredients that drive i other ingredients that drive productivity, skills, training, infrastructure, making sure we have people able to... infrastructure, making sure we have people able to. . .— people able to... yes, that will take time _ people able to... yes, that will take time if _ people able to... yes, that will take time if that _ people able to... yes, that will take time if that -- _ people able to... yes, that will take time if that -- that - people able to... yes, that will take time if that -- that we - people able to... yes, that will| take time if that -- that we will take time if that —— that we will not see — take time if that —— that we will not see productivity spike up massively in the next year or two if that happens now. just like wages as

we are _ that happens now. just like wages as we are inflation so high, knowing that productivity is low at the moment, _ that productivity is low at the moment, and has been since the financial— moment, and has been since the financial crisis of 2007, that we are going — financial crisis of 2007, that we are going end up in a wage price spiral— are going end up in a wage price spiral that — are going end up in a wage price spiral that would have devastating consequences on the public finances. do you _ consequences on the public finances. do you think— consequences on the public finances. do you think that maybe the government needs to be a bit more thoughtful— government needs to be a bit more thoughtful when employees to constantly put and increasing productivity? ifi constantly put and increasing productivity?— constantly put and increasing productivity? if i may say so, i think doing — productivity? if i may say so, i think doing it, _ productivity? if i may say so, i think doing it, the _ productivity? if i may say so, i | think doing it, the government has... as it happens, i think that people should for what they the living wages and prices are not for the they are therefore the market to agree. but the they are therefore the market to a . ree. �* , the they are therefore the market to auree. �* ,~ ., , , agree. but they amongst the labours -- wanes agree. but they amongst the labours -- wages might _

agree. but they amongst the labours -- wages might be — agree. but they amongst the labours -- wages might be going, _ agree. but they amongst the labours -- wages might be going, when - —— wages might be going, when everyone — —— wages might be going, when everyone says that a payi a pay i think it was the emperor diocletian _ a pay i think it was the emperor diocletian hugh _ a pay i think it was the emperor diocletian hugh tried _ a pay i think it was the emperor diocletian hugh tried that, - a pay i think it was the emperor diocletian hugh tried that, and | a pay i think it was the emperor| diocletian hugh tried that, and it there is a question we all know the on the _ there is a question we all know the on the budget, i welcome the initial funding _ on the budget, i welcome the initial funding for— on the budget, i welcome the initial funding for universal— on the budget, i welcome the initial funding for universal credit - on the budget, i welcome the initial funding for universal credit in- on the budget, i welcome the initial funding for universal credit in the l funding for universal credit in the budget, _ funding for universal credit in the budget, ttut— funding for universal credit in the budget, but shouldn't _ funding for universal credit in the budget, but shouldn't some - funding for universal credit in the budget, but shouldn't some of. funding for universal credit in the i budget, but shouldn't some of that have been— budget, but shouldn't some of that have been directed _ budget, but shouldn't some of that have been directed towards - budget, but shouldn't some of thati have been directed towards people? almost _ have been directed towards people? almost one — have been directed towards people? almost one quarter— have been directed towards people? almost one quarter of— have been directed towards people? almost one quarter of people - have been directed towards people? almost one quarter of people who . almost one quarter of people who claim _ almost one quarter of people who claim to _ almost one quarter of people who claim to universal— almost one quarter of people who claim to universal credit - almost one quarter of people who claim to universal credit are - almost one quarter of people who claim to universal credit are not l claim to universal credit are not required — claim to universal credit are not required to— claim to universal credit are not required to look— claim to universal credit are not required to look for— claim to universal credit are not required to look for work- claim to universal credit are not. required to look for work because claim to universal credit are not - required to look for work because of their health — required to look for work because of their health they— required to look for work because of their health they are _ required to look for work because of their health they are caring - required to look for work because of their health they are caring they - their health they are caring they all lost — their health they are caring they all lost £20 _ their health they are caring they all lost £20 per— their health they are caring they all lost £20 per week— their health they are caring they all lost £20 per week uplift, - their health they are caring they i all lost £20 per week uplift, facing the big _ all lost £20 per week uplift, facing the big price — all lost £20 per week uplift, facing the big price rises _ all lost £20 per week uplift, facing the big price rises so _ all lost £20 per week uplift, facing the big price rises so should - all lost £20 per week uplift, facing the big price rises so should some| the big price rises so should some of the _ the big price rises so should some of the help— the big price rises so should some of the help have _

been my what we're trying to do and the that we — been my what we're trying to do and the that we have _ been my what we're trying to do and the that we have come _ been my what we're trying to do and the that we have come in _ been my what we're trying to do and the that we have come in actual- the that we have come in actual places, a serious should be to get people into better paid work which is why i think the, the taper relief on universal credit, to make work pay more. i understand the point you make, they are the people we must look after in any event but for them there are other interventions such as the £500 million for local

councils, the energy price caps, the freezing of fuel duty, their winter fuel allowance, cold weather payments and so on, support for the cost of childcare. you and i have talked many times about people with no recourse to public funds, even they have those types of support. [30 they have those types of support. do you agree that social security should — you agree that social security should provide _ you agree that social security should provide an _ you agree that social security should provide an adequate i you agree that social security- should provide an adequate safety net? [_ should provide an adequate safety net? ., , ~' �* , should provide an adequate safety net? ., , ,, �*, . should provide an adequate safety net? ., , ~' �*, . , net? i do, but i think it's a very broad point. — net? i do, but i think it's a very broad point, of— net? i do, but i think it's a very broad point, of course - net? i do, but i think it's a very broad point, of course i- net? i do, but i think it's a very broad point, of course i do - net? i do, but i think it's a very broad point, of course i do but| net? i do, but i think it's a very i broad point, of course i do but the best thing for those families is to help one member at least into a work and that is why i think what we are doing with universal credit is right. doing with universal credit is riuht. �* ., doing with universal credit is riuht. ., . right. but our committee has heard from parents _ right. but our committee has heard from parents who _ right. but our committee has heard from parents who will _ right. but our committee has heard from parents who will have - right. but our committee has heard from parents who will have two - from parents who will have two

skipped — from parents who will have two skipped meals _ from parents who will have two skipped meals to _ from parents who will have two skipped meals to make - from parents who will have two skipped meals to make sure i from parents who will have two . skipped meals to make sure their children— skipped meals to make sure their children don't— skipped meals to make sure their children don't have _ skipped meals to make sure their children don't have to _ skipped meals to make sure their children don't have to skip - skipped meals to make sure their children don't have to skip meals| children don't have to skip meals because — children don't have to skip meals because of— children don't have to skip meals because of the _ children don't have to skip meals because of the £20 _ children don't have to skip meals because of the £20 per— children don't have to skip meals because of the £20 per week- because of the £20 per week reduction _ because of the £20 per week reduction. that _ because of the £20 per week reduction. that shouldn't - because of the £20 per week reduction. that shouldn't be| reduction. that shouldn't be happening. _ reduction. that shouldn't be happening, should - reduction. that shouldn't be happening, should it? - reduction. that shouldn't be - happening, should it? shouldn't the social— happening, should it? shouldn't the social security — happening, should it? shouldn't the social security safety _ happening, should it? shouldn't the social security safety net _ happening, should it? shouldn't the social security safety net avoid - happening, should it? shouldn't the social security safety net avoid it - social security safety net avoid it from _ social security safety net avoid it from happening? _ social security safety net avoid it from happening? it— social security safety net avoid it from happening?— social security safety net avoid it from happening?- our. social security safety net avoid it i from happening?- our point from happening? it does. our point is it doesn't. _ from happening? it does. our point is it doesn't, evidence _ from happening? it does. our point is it doesn't, evidence is _ from happening? it does. our point is it doesn't, evidence is parents i is it doesn't, evidence is parents are having — is it doesn't, evidence is parents are having to— is it doesn't, evidence is parents are having to skip _ is it doesn't, evidence is parents are having to skip meals. - is it doesn't, evidence is parents are having to skip meals. iplie- are having to skip meals. we are doinu are having to skip meals. we are doing everything _ are having to skip meals. we are doing everything we _ are having to skip meals. we are doing everything we can - are having to skip meals. we are doing everything we can to - are having to skip meals. we are doing everything we can to make are having to skip meals. we are - doing everything we can to make sure that half billion household support fund, the food programme for families who in particular,. i know how hard it can be for families families who in particular,. i know how hard it can be forfamilies but we are putting money into supporting families but it's also important to stress the benefit of work. in

families but it's also important to stress the benefit of work.- stress the benefit of work. in the ast 30 stress the benefit of work. in the past 30 years _ stress the benefit of work. in the past 30 years the _ stress the benefit of work. in the past 30 years the economy - stress the benefit of work. in the past 30 years the economy has l stress the benefit of work. in the - past 30 years the economy has grown by more _ past 30 years the economy has grown by more than — past 30 years the economy has grown by more than i — past 30 years the economy has grown by more than i have _ past 30 years the economy has grown by more than i have in— past 30 years the economy has grown by more than i have in real— past 30 years the economy has grown by more than i have in real terms - by more than i have in real terms and get _ by more than i have in real terms and get support— by more than i have in real terms and get support for— by more than i have in real terms and get support for unemployed. and get support for unemployed families— and get support for unemployed families has— and get support for unemployed families has not— and get support for unemployed families has not gone _ and get support for unemployed families has not gone up- and get support for unemployed families has not gone up at- and get support for unemployed families has not gone up at all. i families has not gone up at all. that— families has not gone up at all. that doesn't _ families has not gone up at all. that doesn't seem _ families has not gone up at all. that doesn't seem right, - families has not gone up at all. that doesn't seem right, doesl families has not gone up at all. i that doesn't seem right, does it? families has not gone up at all. - that doesn't seem right, does it? i will that doesn't seem right, does it? will have to study those figures. the welfare budget the welfare budget is still extremely big. flan i budget is still extremely big. can i finally quote _ budget is still extremely big. can i finally quote you — budget is still extremely big. can i finally quote you a _ budget is still extremely big. can i finally quote you a figure - budget is still extremely big. can i finally quote you a figure from the house _ finally quote you a figure from the house of— finally quote you a figure from the house of commons _ finally quote you a figure from the house of commons library- finally quote you a figure from the house of commons library that . finally quote you a figure from the i house of commons library that says if you _ house of commons library that says if you compare _ house of commons library that says if you compare the _ house of commons library that says if you compare the level— house of commons library that says if you compare the level of- if you compare the level of unemployment _ if you compare the level of unemployment today - if you compare the level of unemployment today with | if you compare the level of- unemployment today with average earnings. — unemployment today with average earnings. it— unemployment today with average earnings. it is— unemployment today with average earnings, it is less _ unemployment today with average earnings, it is less then— unemployment today with average earnings, it is less then when - unemployment today with average i earnings, it is less then when lloyd george _ earnings, it is less then when lloyd george first — earnings, it is less then when lloyd george first introduced _ earnings, it is less then when lloyd i george first introduced unemployment benefit? _ george first introduced unemployment benefit? something _ george first introduced unemployment benefit? something is— george first introduced unemployment benefit? something is going _ benefit? something is going seriously— benefit? something is going seriously wrong. _ benefit? something is going seriously wrong. (an - benefit? something is going seriously wrong.— benefit? something is going seriousl wronu. ., , , . seriously wrong. can i 'ust repeat, we are in seriously wrong. can i 'ust repeat, we in a — seriously wrong. can i 'ust repeat, we are in a situation _ seriously wrong. can ijust repeat, we are in a situation where - seriously wrong. can ijust repeat, we are in a situation where there i seriously wrong. can ijust repeat, l we are in a situation where there is a massive demand for labour and we

want to encourage people to the benefit system into work and that's why it structured in the way it is. but you want afford meals. riff but you want afford meals. of course, but you want afford meals. course, that is why we have but you want afford meals.“ course, that is why we have the protections we have. in course, that is why we have the protections we have.— course, that is why we have the protections we have. in art meetings in jul we protections we have. in art meetings in july we were _ protections we have. in art meetings in july we were looking _ protections we have. in art meetings in july we were looking at _ protections we have. in art meetings in july we were looking at the - in july we were looking at the online — in july we were looking at the online safety _ in july we were looking at the online safety bill, _ in july we were looking at the online safety bill, given - in july we were looking at the online safety bill, given one i in july we were looking at the | online safety bill, given one of in july we were looking at the - online safety bill, given one of its main _ online safety bill, given one of its main objectives _ online safety bill, given one of its main objectives is _ online safety bill, given one of its main objectives is to _ online safety bill, given one of its main objectives is to tackle - online safety bill, given one of its| main objectives is to tackle online fraud, _ main objectives is to tackle online fraud, i_ main objectives is to tackle online fraud, i know— main objectives is to tackle online fraud, i know you _ main objectives is to tackle online fraud, i know you had _ main objectives is to tackle online fraud, i know you had a _ main objectives is to tackle online fraud, i know you had a letter- main objectives is to tackle onlinel fraud, i know you had a letter from martin— fraud, i know you had a letter from martin lewis. — fraud, i know you had a letter from martin lewis, sir— fraud, i know you had a letter from martin lewis, sir richard _ fraud, i know you had a letter from martin lewis, sir richard branson,| martin lewis, sir richard branson, dawn— martin lewis, sir richard branson, dawn french — martin lewis, sir richard branson, dawn french and _ martin lewis, sir richard branson, dawn french and others _ martin lewis, sir richard branson, dawn french and others who - martin lewis, sir richard branson, dawn french and others who havel martin lewis, sir richard branson, . dawn french and others who have all appeared _ dawn french and others who have all appeared in— dawn french and others who have all appeared in online _ dawn french and others who have all appeared in online scam _ dawn french and others who have all appeared in online scam adverts, - appeared in online scam adverts, calling _ appeared in online scam adverts, calling on— appeared in online scam adverts, calling on you. _ appeared in online scam adverts, calling on you. as— appeared in online scam adverts, calling on you, as we _ appeared in online scam adverts, calling on you, as we talked - appeared in online scam adverts, calling on you, as we talked in. calling on you, as we talked in july, _ calling on you, as we talked in july, about— calling on you, as we talked in july, about regularly— calling on you, as we talked in| july, about regularly regulating online — july, about regularly regulating online scam _ july, about regularly regulating online scam advertising - july, about regularly regulating online scam advertising in - july, about regularly regulating online scam advertising in the i online scam advertising in the online — online scam advertising in the online safety— online scam advertising in the online safety bill. _

online scam advertising in the online safety bill. have - online scam advertising in the online safety bill. have you i online scam advertising in the . online safety bill. have you made any headway— online safety bill. have you made any headway in _ online safety bill. have you made any headway in looking _ online safety bill. have you made any headway in looking at - online safety bill. have you made any headway in looking at that? i online safety bill. have you made any headway in looking at that? [j any headway in looking at that? haven't seen the letter from the people you mention. we are certainly concerned about online scams online ads of any kind and i know we are into this now. again, i refer you to what we are doing in the online harms bill. that what we are doing in the online harms bill-— what we are doing in the online harms bill. �* ., , harms bill. at the moment the bill isn't proposed _ harms bill. at the moment the bill isn't proposed to _ harms bill. at the moment the bill isn't proposed to regulate - harms bill. at the moment the bill isn't proposed to regulate paid - harms bill. at the moment the bill isn't proposed to regulate paid for| isn't proposed to regulate paid for advertising — isn't proposed to regulate paid for advertising. you _ isn't proposed to regulate paid for advertising. you made _ isn't proposed to regulate paid for advertising. you made the - isn't proposed to regulate paid for advertising. you made the point. isn't proposed to regulate paid for| advertising. you made the point in july that— advertising. you made the point in july that he — advertising. you made the point in july that he would _ advertising. you made the point in july that he would have _ advertising. you made the point in july that he would have a - advertising. you made the point in july that he would have a look - july that he would have a look at that _ july that he would have a look at that. . july that he would have a look at that. , . .., ., that. let me see what i can find out about that, — that. let me see what i can find out about that. mr— that. let me see what i can find out about that, mr timms. _ that. let me see what i can find out about that, mr timms. as - that. let me see what i can find out about that, mr timms. as i - about that, mr timms. as i understand it, at the moment the review is that the bill cannot deal with every ill caused by the internet and it may be that is one thing it is failing to do, one of many things it's failing to do but i

will get back to you.— many things it's failing to do but i will get back to you. angus bernard mcneil, will get back to you. angus bernard mcneil. chair— will get back to you. angus bernard mcneil, chair of _ will get back to you. angus bernard mcneil, chair of the _ will get back to you. angus bernard mcneil, chair of the trade - mcneil, chair of the trade committee... i do apologise, tobias ellwood _ committee... i do apologise, tobias ellwood. ., ~ committee... i do apologise, tobias ellwood. . ,, , ., ~ , ellwood. thank you, prime minister. we have had — ellwood. thank you, prime minister. we have had two _ ellwood. thank you, prime minister. we have had two terror— ellwood. thank you, prime minister. we have had two terror attacks - ellwood. thank you, prime minister. we have had two terror attacks in i we have had two terror attacks in the uk _ we have had two terror attacks in the uk in — we have had two terror attacks in the uk in the _ we have had two terror attacks in the uk in the past _ we have had two terror attacks in the uk in the past month. - we have had two terror attacks in the uk in the past month. it - we have had two terror attacks in the uk in the past month. it is i we have had two terror attacks in| the uk in the past month. it is not two decades— the uk in the past month. it is not two decades since _ the uk in the past month. it is not two decades since 9/11. _ the uk in the past month. it is not| two decades since 9/11. extremism the uk in the past month. it is not. two decades since 9/11. extremism is now on— two decades since 9/11. extremism is now on the _ two decades since 9/11. extremism is now on the rise. _ two decades since 9/11. extremism is now on the rise, no _ two decades since 9/11. extremism is now on the rise, no doubt _ two decades since 9/11. extremism is now on the rise, no doubt spurred i two decades since 9/11. extremism is now on the rise, no doubt spurred by events— now on the rise, no doubt spurred by events in— now on the rise, no doubt spurred by events in afghanistan. _ now on the rise, no doubt spurred by events in afghanistan. the _ now on the rise, no doubt spurred by events in afghanistan. the internet. events in afghanistan. the internet is now _ events in afghanistan. the internet is now more — events in afghanistan. the internet is now more powerful— events in afghanistan. the internet is now more powerful than- events in afghanistan. the internet is now more powerful than the - is now more powerful than the pulpit — is now more powerful than the pulpit. should _ is now more powerful than the pulpit. should we _ is now more powerful than the pulpit. should we be - is now more powerful than the pulpit. should we be doing - is now more powerful than the . pulpit. should we be doing more is now more powerful than the - pulpit. should we be doing more to tackle _ pulpit. should we be doing more to tackle online — pulpit. should we be doing more to tackle online radicalisation? - pulpit. should we be doing more to tackle online radicalisation? therel tackle online radicalisation? there is alwa s tackle online radicalisation? there is always much — tackle online radicalisation? there is always much more _ tackle online radicalisation? there is always much more we _ tackle online radicalisation? there is always much more we could - tackle online radicalisation? there is always much more we could be | is always much more we could be doing to tackle radicalisation online otherwise and when you look at some of the cases we have seen recently it's clear that people are increasingly adept at using devices to conceal their internet tracking history, as they radicalise

themselves. we need to be wise to that. i think what we also need to do is be much more ruthless in joining the dots together because so often with characters who cause terror attacks or whatever, there will be things in their past that our signals or indicators of a likelihood that they will do the stomach each of them individually or may not be enough to trigger the concerns stomach i would like to ask about what is online and whether you think more responsibility should be taken by online organisations. the last time we _ taken by online organisations. the last time we met here, you agree to the world _ last time we met here, you agree to the world is— last time we met here, you agree to the world is becoming _ last time we met here, you agree to the world is becoming more - last time we met here, you agree to i the world is becoming more unstable, more _ the world is becoming more unstable, more complex, — the world is becoming more unstable, more complex, an _ the world is becoming more unstable, more complex, an increase _ the world is becoming more unstable, more complex, an increase in- more complex, an increase in political— more complex, an increase in political warfare _ more complex, an increase in political warfare along - more complex, an increase in political warfare along with i more complex, an increase in| political warfare along with the

rise in— political warfare along with the rise in extremism _ political warfare along with the rise in extremism and - rise in extremism and authoritarianism - rise in extremism and authoritarianism and| rise in extremism and . authoritarianism and we rise in extremism and - authoritarianism and we are rise in extremism and _ authoritarianism and we are seeing examples — authoritarianism and we are seeing examples of— authoritarianism and we are seeing examples of that _ authoritarianism and we are seeing examples of that playing _ authoritarianism and we are seeing examples of that playing out - authoritarianism and we are seeing examples of that playing out in - examples of that playing out in eastern — examples of that playing out in eastern europe. _ examples of that playing out in eastern europe. can— examples of that playing out in eastern europe. can i- examples of that playing out in eastern europe. can i ask- examples of that playing out in eastern europe. can i ask whatj eastern europe. can i ask what military— eastern europe. can i ask what military assistance _ eastern europe. can i ask what military assistance we - eastern europe. can i ask what military assistance we can - eastern europe. can i ask what| military assistance we can offer poland — military assistance we can offer poland and _ military assistance we can offer poland and ukraine _ military assistance we can offer poland and ukraine to - military assistance we can offer poland and ukraine to shout. military assistance we can offer - poland and ukraine to shout russia we are _ poland and ukraine to shout russia we are serious— poland and ukraine to shout russia we are serious about _ poland and ukraine to shout russia we are serious about deterring - poland and ukraine to shout russia we are serious about deterring any| we are serious about deterring any kinetic— we are serious about deterring any kinetic action? _ we are serious about deterring any kinetic action? the _ we are serious about deterring any kinetic action?— kinetic action? the two cases are very different. — kinetic action? the two cases are very different, as _ kinetic action? the two cases are very different, as you _ kinetic action? the two cases are very different, as you know, - kinetic action? the two cases are - very different, as you know, because poland has a night out security guarantee and under article 5 we are committed to the defence of poland, as you know. ukraine, starred late for historical reasons does not have the same guarantee it doesn't even have a membership action programme, and so what we have to do is to make sure everybody understands the cost of miscalculation on the borders of

both ukraine and of poland would be enormous, and i think that my impression, as i'm sure you would ingrid, having been to ukraine several times, ingrid, having been to ukraine severaltimes, met ingrid, having been to ukraine several times, met people there as i'm sure colleagues have around this room, it would be a tragic mistake for the kremlin to think there was anything to be gained by militarism. i put it to you that the only way we will deter — i put it to you that the only way we will deter russia _ i put it to you that the only way we will deter russia from _ i put it to you that the only way we will deter russia from amassing i will deter russia from amassing troops _ will deter russia from amassing troops on — will deter russia from amassing troops on the _ will deter russia from amassing troops on the border _ will deter russia from amassing troops on the border with - will deter russia from amassing i troops on the border with ukraine, from _ troops on the border with ukraine, from venturing _ troops on the border with ukraine, from venturing into _ troops on the border with ukraine, from venturing into the _ troops on the border with ukraine, from venturing into the donbass . from venturing into the donbass region. — from venturing into the donbass region. is— from venturing into the donbass region. is by— from venturing into the donbass region, is by saying _ from venturing into the donbass region, is by saying now- from venturing into the donbass region, is by saying now exactly| region, is by saying now exactly what _ region, is by saying now exactly what the — region, is by saying now exactly what the consequences - region, is by saying now exactly what the consequences would l region, is by saying now exactly. what the consequences would be. i would _ what the consequences would be. i would like — what the consequences would be. i would like you _ what the consequences would be. i would like you to _ what the consequences would be. i would like you to take _ what the consequences would be. i would like you to take that - what the consequences would be. i would like you to take that away i would like you to take that away with you — would like you to take that away with you. copze _ would like you to take that away with you. cop26 has _ would like you to take that away with you. cop26 has illustratedl would like you to take that away . with you. cop26 has illustrated just how fragile — with you. cop26 has illustrated just how fragile our— with you. cop26 has illustrated just how fragile our planet _ with you. cop26 has illustrated just how fragile our planet is _ with you. cop26 has illustrated just how fragile our planet is but - with you. cop26 has illustrated just how fragile our planet is but our. how fragile our planet is but our turnaround _ how fragile our planet is but our turnaround to _ how fragile our planet is but our turnaround to repair— how fragile our planet is but our turnaround to repair this- how fragile our planet is but ourl turnaround to repair this damage how fragile our planet is but our. turnaround to repair this damage is measured _ turnaround to repair this damage is measured in— turnaround to repair this damage is measured in decades. _ turnaround to repair this damage is

measured in decades. carbon - turnaround to repair this damage is i measured in decades. carbon neutral by 2050 _ measured in decades. carbon neutral by 2050 this— measured in decades. carbon neutral by 2050. this means _ measured in decades. carbon neutral by 2050. this means globally - measured in decades. carbon neutral by 2050. this means globally we - measured in decades. carbon neutral. by 2050. this means globally we must brace ourselves— by 2050. this means globally we must brace ourselves for— by 2050. this means globally we must brace ourselves for profound _ by 2050. this means globally we must brace ourselves for profound changes. brace ourselves for profound changes in the _ brace ourselves for profound changes in the next _ brace ourselves for profound changes in the next decade, _ brace ourselves for profound changes in the next decade, crop _ brace ourselves for profound changes in the next decade, crop failures - in the next decade, crop failures leading — in the next decade, crop failures leading to — in the next decade, crop failures leading to food _ in the next decade, crop failures leading to food shortages, - in the next decade, crop failures leading to food shortages, [and i in the next decade, crop failures. leading to food shortages, [and is becoming — leading to food shortages, [and is becoming too _ leading to food shortages, [and is becoming too hot _ leading to food shortages, [and is becoming too hot to _ leading to food shortages, [and is becoming too hot to move - leading to food shortages, [and is becoming too hot to move in, - leading to food shortages, [and is becoming too hot to move in, alll becoming too hot to move in, all leading _ becoming too hot to move in, all leading to — becoming too hot to move in, all leading to mass _ becoming too hot to move in, all leading to mass migrations - becoming too hot to move in, all leading to mass migrations thatl becoming too hot to move in, all. leading to mass migrations that will test governments _ leading to mass migrations that will test governments across _ leading to mass migrations that will test governments across the - leading to mass migrations that will test governments across the world. | test governments across the world. does _ test governments across the world. does the _ test governments across the world. does the prime _ test governments across the world. does the prime minister— test governments across the world. does the prime minister agree - test governments across the world. does the prime minister agree withj does the prime minister agree with david _ does the prime minister agree with david attenborough_ does the prime minister agree with david attenborough who _ does the prime minister agree with david attenborough who said - does the prime minister agree with i david attenborough who said climate change _ david attenborough who said climate change is _ david attenborough who said climate change is the — david attenborough who said climate change is the biggest _ david attenborough who said climate change is the biggest security- change is the biggest security threat — change is the biggest security threat that— change is the biggest security threat that modern _ change is the biggest security threat that modern humans . change is the biggest security. threat that modern humans have change is the biggest security- threat that modern humans have ever faced? _ threat that modern humans have ever faced? [_ threat that modern humans have ever faced? ~ . threat that modern humans have ever faced? ~' , . faced? i think he is right in that and i made _ faced? i think he is right in that and i made a — faced? i think he is right in that and i made a speech _ faced? i think he is right in that and i made a speech to - faced? i think he is right in that and i made a speech to the - faced? i think he is right in that and i made a speech to the un | and i made a speech to the un security council saying substantially the same thing. bringing those two themes together, the red _ bringing those two themes together, the red book— bringing those two themes together, the red book here _ bringing those two themes together, the red book here on _ bringing those two themes together, the red book here on page _ bringing those two themes together, the red book here on page 48- the red book here on page 48 confirms— the red book here on page 48 confirms defence _ the red book here on page 48 confirms defence spending i the red book here on page 48 confirms defence spending is| the red book here on page 48. confirms defence spending is set the red book here on page 48- confirms defence spending is set to fall over— confirms defence spending is set to fall over the — confirms defence spending is set to fall over the next _ confirms defence spending is set to fall over the next four— confirms defence spending is set to fall over the next four years - confirms defence spending is set to fall over the next four years that. fall over the next four years that the current — fall over the next four years that the current budget _ fall over the next four years that the current budget is _ fall over the next four years that the current budget is stretched i fall over the next four years that. the current budget is stretched by a requirement— the current budget is stretched by a requirement to _ the current budget is stretched by a requirement to cover— the current budget is stretched by a requirement to cover cyber - the current budget is stretched by a requirement to cover cyber and - the current budget is stretched by a i requirement to cover cyber and space domains _

requirement to cover cyber and space domains so — requirement to cover cyber and space domains so tanks. _ requirement to cover cyber and space domains. so tanks, ships, _ requirement to cover cyber and space domains. so tanks, ships, planes- requirement to cover cyber and spacej domains. so tanks, ships, planes and troop— domains. so tanks, ships, planes and troop numbers — domains. so tanks, ships, planes and troop numbers are _ domains. so tanks, ships, planes and troop numbers are all— domains. so tanks, ships, planes and troop numbers are all now _ domains. so tanks, ships, planes and troop numbers are all now being - domains. so tanks, ships, planes and troop numbers are all now being cut. | troop numbers are all now being cut. would _ troop numbers are all now being cut. would you _ troop numbers are all now being cut. would you agree _ troop numbers are all now being cut. would you agree that _ troop numbers are all now being cut. would you agree that the _ troop numbers are all now being cut. would you agree that the integratedl would you agree that the integrated review _ would you agree that the integrated review is— would you agree that the integrated review is arguably— would you agree that the integrated review is arguably out _ would you agree that the integrated review is arguably out of— would you agree that the integrated review is arguably out of date - would you agree that the integrated review is arguably out of date and l review is arguably out of date and we now _ review is arguably out of date and we now need _ review is arguably out of date and we now need to _ review is arguably out of date and we now need to look _ review is arguably out of date and we now need to look seriously- review is arguably out of date and we now need to look seriously ati we now need to look seriously at defence — we now need to look seriously at defence spending _ we now need to look seriously at defence spending to _ we now need to look seriously at defence spending to be - we now need to look seriously at| defence spending to be increased we now need to look seriously at. defence spending to be increased to 3% quarter— defence spending to be increased to 3% quarter i — defence spending to be increased to 3% quarter i must _ defence spending to be increased to 3% quarter i must respectfully, - defence spending to be increased to 3% quarter i must respectfully, i- 3% quarter i must respectfully, i note _ 3% quarter i must respectfully, i note you — 3% quarter i must respectfully, i note you are _ 3% quarter i must respectfully, i note you are a _ 3% quarter i must respectfully, i note you are a great _ 3% quarter i must respectfully, i note you are a great authority i 3% quarter i must respectfully, i| note you are a great authority on these _ note you are a great authority on these matters _ note you are a great authority on these matters but _ note you are a great authority on these matters but i _ note you are a great authority on these matters but i must - note you are a great authority on| these matters but i must descent when _ these matters but i must descent when you — these matters but i must descent when you say— these matters but i must descent when you say the _ these matters but i must descent when you say the integrated - these matters but i must descent. when you say the integrated review is out _ when you say the integrated review is out of _ when you say the integrated review is out of date _ when you say the integrated review is out of date.— is out of date. because what i think would be out _ is out of date. because what i think would be out of _ is out of date. because what i think would be out of date _ is out of date. because what i think would be out of date would - is out of date. because what i think would be out of date would be - is out of date. because what i think would be out of date would be first| would be out of date would be first of all we are spending record sums on defence, £24 billion to reform and renew our armed forces, 2.4%... by and renew our armed forces, 2.4%... by know the numbers. i am trying to say stomach— by know the numbers. i am trying to say stomach i — by know the numbers. i am trying to say stomach i disagree... _ by know the numbers. i am trying to say stomach i disagree... we - by know the numbers. i am trying to say stomach i disagree... we have . say stomach i disagree... we have confirmed — say stomach i disagree... we have confirmed that— say stomach i disagree... we have confirmed that the _ say stomach i disagree... we have confirmed that the threats - say stomach i disagree... we have confirmed that the threats are - confirmed that the threats are growing — confirmed that the threats are growing and _ confirmed that the threats are growing and we _ confirmed that the threats are growing and we cannot - confirmed that the threats arel growing and we cannot matter. confirmed that the threats are - growing and we cannot matter. the budget _ growing and we cannot matter. the budget is _ growing and we cannot matter. the

budget is being _ growing and we cannot matter. the budget is being reduced _ growing and we cannot matter. the budget is being reduced by- growing and we cannot matter. the budget is being reduced by 0.4%. growing and we cannot matter. the i budget is being reduced by 0.4% from my point— budget is being reduced by 0.4% from my point is— budget is being reduced by 0.4% from my point is an — budget is being reduced by 0.4% from my point is an inviting _ budget is being reduced by 0.4% from my point is an inviting you _ budget is being reduced by 0.4% from my point is an inviting you to- my point is an inviting you to recognise _ my point is an inviting you to recognise the _ my point is an inviting you to recognise the growing - my point is an inviting you to| recognise the growing threats my point is an inviting you to- recognise the growing threats coming over the _ recognise the growing threats coming over the horizon _ recognise the growing threats coming over the horizon and _ recognise the growing threats coming over the horizon and asking _ recognise the growing threats coming over the horizon and asking you - recognise the growing threats coming over the horizon and asking you to . over the horizon and asking you to reconsider— over the horizon and asking you to reconsider where _ over the horizon and asking you to reconsider where the _ over the horizon and asking you to reconsider where the integrated . reconsider where the integrated review— reconsider where the integrated review now— reconsider where the integrated review now is _ reconsider where the integrated review now is and _ reconsider where the integrated review now is and what - reconsider where the integrated review now is and what we - reconsider where the integratedj review now is and what we need reconsider where the integrated i review now is and what we need to prepare _ review now is and what we need to prepare for — review now is and what we need to prepare for if— review now is and what we need to prepare for-— prepare for. if you are saying you think we should _ prepare for. if you are saying you think we should go _ prepare for. if you are saying you think we should go back- prepare for. if you are saying you think we should go back and - prepare for. if you are saying you i think we should go back and prepare for tank battles... think we should go back and prepare for tank battles. . .— for tank battles... now, you are -auttin for tank battles... now, you are putting words — for tank battles... now, you are putting words into _ for tank battles... now, you are putting words into my _ for tank battles... now, you are putting words into my mouth. . for tank battles... now, you are l putting words into my mouth. you mentioned — putting words into my mouth. mentioned direct stomach we are cutting back on art tanks. what mentioned direct stomach we are cutting back on art tanks. what is amassin: cutting back on art tanks. what is amassing on _ cutting back on art tanks. what is amassing on the _ cutting back on art tanks. what is amassing on the ukrainian - cutting back on art tanks. what is amassing on the ukrainian border cutting back on art tanks. what is i amassing on the ukrainian border is tanks _ amassing on the ukrainian border is tanks but _ amassing on the ukrainian border is tanks but i — amassing on the ukrainian border is tanks but i am — amassing on the ukrainian border is tanks but i am saying _ amassing on the ukrainian border is tanks but i am saying step - amassing on the ukrainian border is tanks but i am saying step back- amassing on the ukrainian border is tanks but i am saying step back andj tanks but i am saying step back and look at _ tanks but i am saying step back and look at the — tanks but i am saying step back and look at the wider _ tanks but i am saying step back and look at the wider security— tanks but i am saying step back and look at the wider security picture i look at the wider security picture can look— look at the wider security picture can look at— look at the wider security picture can look at our— look at the wider security picture can look at our defence - look at the wider security picture can look at our defence posture i look at the wider security picture i can look at our defence posture and see what _ can look at our defence posture and see what needs _ can look at our defence posture and see what needs to _ can look at our defence posture and see what needs to be _ can look at our defence posture and see what needs to be done. - can look at our defence posture and see what needs to be done. if- can look at our defence posture and see what needs to be done. if you i see what needs to be done. if you think uk tanks — see what needs to be done. if you think uk tanks are _ see what needs to be done. if you think uk tanks are the _ see what needs to be done. if you think uk tanks are the answer... i see what needs to be done. if you i think uk tanks are the answer... i'm sor , i think uk tanks are the answer... i'm sorry. i am — think uk tanks are the answer... i'm sorry, i am sorry you're taking us down _ sorry, i am sorry you're taking us down that— sorry, i am sorry you're taking us down that rabbit _ sorry, i am sorry you're taking us down that rabbit hole _ sorry, i am sorry you're taking us down that rabbit hole because i sorry, i am sorry you're taking usl down that rabbit hole because you know _ down that rabbit hole because you know perfectly _ down that rabbit hole because you know perfectly well _ down that rabbit hole because you know perfectly well it _ down that rabbit hole because you know perfectly well it is _ down that rabbit hole because you know perfectly well it is not - down that rabbit hole because you know perfectly well it is not about| know perfectly well it is not about tanks _ know perfectly well it is not about tanks tanks_ know perfectly well it is not about tanks. tanks are _ know perfectly well it is not about

tanks. tanks are one _ know perfectly well it is not about tanks. tanks are one element- know perfectly well it is not about tanks. tanks are one element of. know perfectly well it is not about l tanks. tanks are one element of art defence _ tanks. tanks are one element of art defence capability. _ tanks. tanks are one element of art defence capability. you _ tanks. tanks are one element of art defence capability.— defence capability. you brought up tanks. you promised _ defence capability. you brought up tanks. you promised 138 _ defence capability. you brought up tanks. you promised 138 f35s, - defence capability. you brought up tanks. you promised 138 f35s, you have cut back _ tanks. you promised 138 f35s, you have cut back not _ tanks. you promised 138 f35s, you have cut back notjust _ tanks. you promised 138 f35s, you have cut back notjust on - tanks. you promised 138 f35s, you have cut back notjust on tanks, i have cutback not just on tanks, warriors, — have cutback not just on tanks, warriors, hercules _ have cutback not just on tanks, warriors, hercules aircraft, - have cutback notjust on tanks, - warriors, hercules aircraft, removed completely— warriors, hercules aircraft, removed completely and — warriors, hercules aircraft, removed completely and 10,000 _ warriors, hercules aircraft, removed completely and 10,000 troops - warriors, hercules aircraft, removed completely and 10,000 troops so i warriors, hercules aircraft, removedj completely and 10,000 troops so we can talk— completely and 10,000 troops so we can talk about — completely and 10,000 troops so we can talk about tanks _ completely and 10,000 troops so we can talk about tanks or— completely and 10,000 troops so we can talk about tanks or we _ completely and 10,000 troops so we can talk about tanks or we can - completely and 10,000 troops so we can talk about tanks or we can talk . can talk about tanks or we can talk attout— can talk about tanks or we can talk about the wider— can talk about tanks or we can talk about the wider capabilities that i about the wider capabilities that have lteen— about the wider capabilities that have been produced, _ about the wider capabilities that have been produced, at- about the wider capabilities that have been produced, at a - about the wider capabilities that have been produced, at a time i about the wider capabilities that - have been produced, at a time when there _ have been produced, at a time when there are _ have been produced, at a time when there are bigger— have been produced, at a time when there are bigger threats _ have been produced, at a time when there are bigger threats coming - have been produced, at a time whenj there are bigger threats coming over there are bigger threats coming over the horizon — there are bigger threats coming over the horizon l— there are bigger threats coming over the horizon. ~ , there are bigger threats coming over the horizon-— the horizon. i think it is now or neverfor— the horizon. i think it is now or never for the _ the horizon. i think it is now or never for the uk _ the horizon. i think it is now or never for the uk armed - the horizon. i think it is now or| never for the uk armed forces. the horizon. i think it is now or - never for the uk armed forces. we have to recognise... now or never? the old _ have to recognise... now or never? the old concepts— have to recognise... now or never? the old concepts of— have to recognise... now or never? the old concepts of fighting - have to recognise... now or never? the old concepts of fighting big - the old concepts of fighting big tank battles on european land which i think you are driving at is over and there are other better things we should be investing in, future combat air system, in cyber. this is how the future will be fought in our

advanced early warning systems and that his work we need to be. i think the investments we are making dumb you cannot hold ground with cyber. the investment in new technology are indispensable. l the investment in new technology are indispensable-_ the investment in new technology are indispensable._ i - indispensable. idon't disagree. i don'tthink_ indispensable. i don't disagree. i don't think going _ indispensable. idon't disagree. i don't think going back _ indispensable. i don't disagree. i don't think going back to - indispensable. i don't disagree. i don't think going back to a - indispensable. idon't disagree. ij don't think going back to a 1940s don't think going back to a 19405 approach will serve u5. don't think going back to a 19405 approach will serve us. mr don't think going back to a 1940s approach will serve us. mr mcneill, trade committee _ approach will serve us. mr mcneill, trade committee chair. _ approach will serve us. mr mcneill, trade committee chair. you - approach will serve us. mr mcneill, trade committee chair. you were i approach will serve us. mr mcneill, | trade committee chair. you were an advocate of — trade committee chair. you were an advocate of brexit, _ trade committee chair. you were an advocate of brexit, you _ trade committee chair. you were an advocate of brexit, you are - trade committee chair. you were an advocate of brexit, you are now - trade committee chair. you were an advocate of brexit, you are now an| advocate of brexit, you are now an advocate _ advocate of brexit, you are now an advocate of — advocate of brexit, you are now an advocate of trade _ advocate of brexit, you are now an advocate of trade deals. _ advocate of brexit, you are now an . advocate of trade deals. government figures _ advocate of trade deals. government figures site _ advocate of trade deals. government figures site brexit _ advocate of trade deals. government figures site brexit will _ advocate of trade deals. government figures site brexit will cost _ advocate of trade deals. government figures site brexit will cost about - figures site brexit will cost about 4~9% _ figures site brexit will cost about 4~9% of— figures site brexit will cost about 4~9% of gdp _ figures site brexit will cost about 4.9% of gdp and _ figures site brexit will cost about 4.9% of gdp and we _ figures site brexit will cost about 4.9% of gdp and we can- figures site brexit will cost about. 4.9% of gdp and we can correspond that to _ 4.9% of gdp and we can correspond that to 490 — 4.9% of gdp and we can correspond that to 490 or— 4.9% of gdp and we can correspond that to 490 or £400. _ 4.9% of gdp and we can correspond that to 490 or £400. my question | 4.9% of gdp and we can correspond j that to 490 or £400. my question is what you _ that to 490 or £400. my question is what you will— that to 490 or £400. my question is what you will recoup _ that to 490 or £400. my question is what you will recoup in _ that to 490 or £400. my question is what you will recoup in the - that to 490 or £400. my question is what you will recoup in the trade - what you will recoup in the trade deals— what you will recoup in the trade deals with — what you will recoup in the trade deals with new— what you will recoup in the trade deals with new zealand, - what you will recoup in the trade deals with new zealand, for - deals with new zealand, for instance. _ deals with new zealand, for instance, and _ deals with new zealand, for instance, and australia, - deals with new zealand, for. instance, and australia, what deals with new zealand, for - instance, and australia, what will we recoup? —

instance, and australia, what will we recoup? l _ instance, and australia, what will we recom— instance, and australia, what will we recoup? i think both deals will rive we recoup? i think both deals will give opportunities... _ we recoup? i think both deals will give opportunities... nothing. - we recoup? i think both deals will give opportunities... nothing. i. give opportunities... nothing. i cannot give _ give opportunities... nothing. i cannot give you _ give opportunities... nothing. i cannot give you numbers. - give opportunities... nothing. i cannot give you numbers. it - give opportunities... nothing. i- cannot give you numbers. it depends how much the australians and new zealanders decide to buy. what we do haveis zealanders decide to buy. what we do have is a big opportunity for scottish beef, for scottish... this is waffle. the _ scottish beef, for scottish... this is waffle. the numbers _ scottish beef, for scottish... this is waffle. the numbers you are looking — is waffle. the numbers you are looking for— is waffle. the numbers you are looking for dumb _ is waffle. the numbers you are looking for dumb that - is waffle. the numbers you are looking for dumb that the - is waffle. the numbers you are i looking for dumb that the prime minister— looking for dumb that the prime minister answer. _ looking for dumb that the prime ministeranswer. i'm _ looking for dumb that the prime minister answer. i'm looking - looking for dumb that the prime minister answer. i'm looking forj minister answer. i'm looking for numbers, — minister answer. i'm looking for numbers, he _ minister answer. i'm looking for numbers, he hasn't— minister answer. i'm looking for numbers, he hasn't got- minister answer. i'm looking for. numbers, he hasn't got numbers. minister answer. i'm looking for- numbers, he hasn't got numbers. the uk deal numbers, he hasn't got numbers. uk deal alone could increase exports by £100 million, quite a lot of that will be scottish whisky. are you turning up your nose at that

question by the way, never let it be forgotten they were againstjoining the eu does not stop tackling yourself, prime minister. £490 the brexitcast, the _ yourself, prime minister. £490 the brexitcast, the austrian _ yourself, prime minister. £490 the brexitcast, the austrian people - yourself, prime minister. £490 the| brexitcast, the austrian people were take back— brexitcast, the austrian people were take back £2 — brexitcast, the austrian people were take back £2 and _ brexitcast, the austrian people were take back £2 and the _ brexitcast, the austrian people were take back £2 and the australian - brexitcast, the austrian people were take back £2 and the australian deal| take back £2 and the australian deal will take _ take back £2 and the australian deal will take back— take back £2 and the australian deal will take back £1.— take back £2 and the australian deal will take back £1. you _ take back £2 and the australian deal will take back £1. you are _ take back £2 and the australian deal will take back £1. you are still- take back £2 and the australian deal will take back £1. you are still 400 i will take back £1. you are still 400 and £70 _ will take back £1. you are still 400 and £70 out— will take back £1. you are still 400 and £70 out of— will take back £1. you are still 400 and £70 out of pocket. _ will take back £1. you are still 400 and £70 out of pocket. you're - will take back £1. you are still 400 and £70 out of pocket. you're in. and £70 out of pocket. you're in pickle _ and £70 out of pocket. you're in pickle with — and £70 out of pocket. you're in pickle with ireland, _ and £70 out of pocket. you're in pickle with ireland, it _ and £70 out of pocket. you're in pickle with ireland, it is - and £70 out of pocket. you're in pickle with ireland, it is now- and £70 out of pocket. you're in. pickle with ireland, it is now known as the _ pickle with ireland, it is now known as the british — pickle with ireland, it is now known as the british problem _ pickle with ireland, it is now known as the british problem there. - pickle with ireland, it is now known| as the british problem there. these ireland _ as the british problem there. these ireland being — as the british problem there. these ireland being independent- as the british problem there. these ireland being independent a - as the british problem there. these i ireland being independent a nuisance to you _ ireland being independent a nuisance to you because — ireland being independent a nuisance to you because i_ ireland being independent a nuisance to you because i sometimes- ireland being independent a nuisance to you because i sometimes wonder. ireland being independent a nuisancel to you because i sometimes wonder if you wish— to you because i sometimes wonder if you wish it _ to you because i sometimes wonder if you wish it never— to you because i sometimes wonder if you wish it never became _ to you because i sometimes wonder if| you wish it never became independent and richer— you wish it never became independent and richer per— you wish it never became independent and richer per capita _ you wish it never became independent and richer per capita than— you wish it never became independent and richer per capita than the - you wish it never became independent and richer per capita than the uk- you wish it never became independent and richer per capita than the uk or. and richer per capita than the uk or are you _ and richer per capita than the uk or are you happy— and richer per capita than the uk or are you happy it— and richer per capita than the uk or are you happy it has? _ and richer per capita than the uk or are you happy it has? what- and richer per capita than the uk or are you happy it has? what is- and richer per capita than the uk or are you happy it has? what is yourl are you happy it has? what is your relationship — are you happy it has? what is your relationship with— are you happy it has? what is your relationship with ireland _ are you happy it has? what is your relationship with ireland given - are you happy it has? what is your| relationship with ireland given that the rat _ relationship with ireland given that the rat of— relationship with ireland given that the rat of your— relationship with ireland given that the rat of your triggering _ relationship with ireland given that the rat of your triggering of - the rat of your triggering of article _ the rat of your triggering of article 16? _ the rat of your triggering of article 16?— the rat of your triggering of article 16? ~ . ., . article 16? we have a terrific

relations _ article 16? we have a terrific relations with _ article 16? we have a terrific relations with dublin - article 16? we have a terrific relations with dublin and - article 16? we have a terrific relations with dublin and i i article 16? we have a terrific. relations with dublin and i think they are about our biggest trading partner. they are about our biggest trading artner. ,, ., they are about our biggest trading artner. ., partner. some of the wider brexiteers _ partner. some of the wider brexiteers to _ partner. some of the wider brexiteers to quibble - partner. some of the wider| brexiteers to quibble about partner. some of the wider- brexiteers to quibble about their independence _ brexiteers to quibble about their independence. do _ brexiteers to quibble about their independence. do you _ brexiteers to quibble about their independence. do you think - brexiteers to quibble about their independence. do you think thatj independence. do you think that yourself, — independence. do you think that yourself, keir— independence. do you think that yourself, keir starmer— independence. do you think that yourself, keir starmer and - independence. do you think that yourself, keir starmerand ed i independence. do you think that - yourself, keir starmerand ed davies should _ yourself, keir starmerand ed davies should stop — yourself, keir starmerand ed davies should stop sending _ yourself, keir starmerand ed davies should stop sending big _ yourself, keir starmerand ed davies should stop sending big value - yourself, keir starmerand ed davies| should stop sending big value donors to the _ should stop sending big value donors to the house — should stop sending big value donors to the house of— should stop sending big value donors to the house of lords, _ should stop sending big value donors to the house of lords, currently- to the house of lords, currently seen _ to the house of lords, currently seen as— to the house of lords, currently seen as cash— to the house of lords, currently seen as cash for— to the house of lords, currently seen as cash for honours - to the house of lords, currently seen as cash for honours and i to the house of lords, currently seen as cash for honours and al to the house of lords, currently- seen as cash for honours and a very corrupt— seen as cash for honours and a very corrupt practice _ seen as cash for honours and a very corrupt practice quarter— seen as cash for honours and a very corrupt practice quarter didn't - seen as cash for honours and a very corrupt practice quarter didn't you l corrupt practice quarter didn't you write _ corrupt practice quarter didn't you write that — corrupt practice quarter didn't you write that with _ corrupt practice quarter didn't you write that with me _ corrupt practice quarter didn't you write that with me earlier- corrupt practice quarter didn't you write that with me earlier today? i corrupt practice quarter didn't you. write that with me earlier today? it was nry— write that with me earlier today? it was rny colleague, _ write that with me earlier today? it was my colleague, jonathan - write that with me earlier today? it. was my colleague, jonathan edwards. should _ was my colleague, jonathan edwards. should the _ was my colleague, jonathan edwards. should the practice _ was my colleague, jonathan edwards. should the practice end? _ was my colleague, jonathan edwards. should the practice end? the- was my colleague, jonathan edwards. should the practice end?— should the practice end? the answer is the are should the practice end? the answer is they are by — should the practice end? the answer is they are by and — should the practice end? the answer is they are by and large _ should the practice end? the answer is they are by and large men - should the practice end? the answer is they are by and large men and - is they are by and large men and women who have contributed a huge amount to public life and until you get rid of the system by which the trade union barons fund other parties, we have to go ahead or you

have a completely taxpayer funded system of politics... we need to continue with the system by which public spirited people give donations.— public spirited people give donations. �* , , donations. but find themselves in the house of _ donations. but find themselves in the house of lords, _ donations. but find themselves in the house of lords, this - donations. but find themselves in the house of lords, this is - donations. but find themselves in the house of lords, this is selling peerages~ — the house of lords, this is selling ”eeraes. , .,, i. ., the house of lords, this is selling ”eeraes. , . ., ~ peerages. the people you are talking about have done _ peerages. the people you are talking about have done things _ peerages. the people you are talking about have done things that, - peerages. the people you are talking about have done things that, acts - peerages. the people you are talking about have done things that, acts of| about have done things that, acts of great public service for a long time. .. , great public service for a long time. ,, ,, , time. say you believe in levelling u -. when time. say you believe in levelling up- when will— time. say you believe in levelling up. when will you _ time. say you believe in levelling up. when will you level— time. say you believe in levelling up. when will you level up - time. say you believe in levelling up. when will you level up the i up. when will you level up the electricity— up. when will you level up the electricity market _ up. when will you level up the electricity market which - up. when will you level up the electricity market which is - up. when will you level up the - electricity market which is working against _ electricity market which is working against nrany_ electricity market which is working against many parts _ electricity market which is working against many parts in _ electricity market which is working against many parts in scotland? . against many parts in scotland? green _ against many parts in scotland? green energy— against many parts in scotland? green energy in— against many parts in scotland? green energy in the _ against many parts in scotland? green energy in the scottish - against many parts in scotland? i green energy in the scottish island cut for— green energy in the scottish island cut for more — green energy in the scottish island cut for more than _ green energy in the scottish island cut for more than green _ green energy in the scottish island cut for more than green energy - green energy in the scottish island cut for more than green energy to| cut for more than green energy to the main — cut for more than green energy to the main uk — cut for more than green energy to the main uk market— cut for more than green energy to the main uk market to _ cut for more than green energy to the main uk market to buy- cut for more than green energy to the main uk market to buy it - cut for more than green energy to| the main uk market to buy it from the main uk market to buy it from the equivalent— the main uk market to buy it from the equivalent distance _ the main uk market to buy it from the equivalent distance in - the main uk market to buy it from the equivalent distance in the - the equivalent distance in the continental— the equivalent distance in the continental market. - the equivalent distance in the continental market. the - the equivalent distance in the - continental market. the transmission and distribution— continental market. the transmission and distribution costs _ continental market. the transmission and distribution costs should - continental market. the transmission and distribution costs should be - and distribution costs should be egualised — and distribution costs should be equalised for— and distribution costs should be equalised for fairness, - and distribution costs should be equalised for fairness, and - and distribution costs should be

equalised for fairness, and noti and distribution costs should be i equalised for fairness, and notjust that for— equalised for fairness, and notjust that for climate _ equalised for fairness, and notjust that for climate targets _ equalised for fairness, and notjust that for climate targets to - equalised for fairness, and notjust that for climate targets to be - equalised for fairness, and notjust that for climate targets to be met. that for climate targets to be met from _ that for climate targets to be met from a _ that for climate targets to be met from a serious _ that for climate targets to be met from a serious point _ that for climate targets to be met from a serious point as— that for climate targets to be met from a serious point as scottish . from a serious point as scottish islands— from a serious point as scottish islands could _ from a serious point as scottish islands could be _ from a serious point as scottish islands could be made - from a serious point as scottish islands could be made less- from a serious point as scottish . islands could be made less reliant on european — islands could be made less reliant on european producers. _ islands could be made less reliant on european producers.— islands could be made less reliant on european producers. there is an issue about — on european producers. there is an issue about the _ on european producers. there is an issue about the cost _ on european producers. there is an issue about the cost of _ on european producers. there is an| issue about the cost of transmission and we are looking at it. mr; issue about the cost of transmission and we are looking at it.— and we are looking at it. my last oint was and we are looking at it. my last point was when _ and we are looking at it. my last point was when we _ and we are looking at it. my last point was when we spoke - and we are looking at it. my last point was when we spoke 14 - and we are looking at it. my last - point was when we spoke 14 months a-o, point was when we spoke 14 months ago. you _ point was when we spoke 14 months ago. you said. — point was when we spoke 14 months ago. you said. i_ point was when we spoke 14 months ago, you said, i asked _ point was when we spoke 14 months ago, you said, i asked you - point was when we spoke 14 months ago, you said, i asked you who- point was when we spoke 14 months. ago, you said, i asked you who would be responsible — ago, you said, i asked you who would be responsible in— ago, you said, i asked you who would be responsible in the _ ago, you said, i asked you who would be responsible in the uk— ago, you said, i asked you who would be responsible in the uk for- ago, you said, i asked you who would be responsible in the uk for empty. be responsible in the uk for empty supermarket— be responsible in the uk for empty supermarket shelves— be responsible in the uk for empty supermarket shelves and - be responsible in the uk for empty supermarket shelves and you - be responsible in the uk for empty supermarket shelves and you saidl be responsible in the uk for emptyl supermarket shelves and you said it will beat _ supermarket shelves and you said it will beat me — supermarket shelves and you said it will beat me and _ supermarket shelves and you said it will beat me and the _ supermarket shelves and you said it will beat me and the government. l supermarket shelves and you said it. will beat me and the government. do you stand _ will beat me and the government. do you stand by— will beat me and the government. do you stand by that— will beat me and the government. do you stand by that still? _ will beat me and the government. do you stand by that still? i— will beat me and the government. do you stand by that still? i do. - will beat me and the government. do you stand by that still?— you stand by that still? i do. i'm responsible _ you stand by that still? i do. i'm responsible for _ you stand by that still? i do. i'm responsible for trying _ you stand by that still? i do. i'm responsible for trying to - you stand by that still? i do. i'm responsible for trying to help . responsible for trying to help improve supply chains and that is now starting to happen. but the problem is, the problem is one that is caused by a great many global factors. if you are talking about

the hgv drivers, there are shortages of hgv drivers around the world. there are shortages of hgv drivers in the united states and in china and across the world and what we are doing now is trying to accelerate... do you think brexit has made it worse? — do you think brexit has made it worse? lt— do you think brexit has made it worse? , ., do you think brexit has made it worse? , . .,, ., do you think brexit has made it worse? ., , worse? it is a pan european problem and what we — worse? it is a pan european problem and what we want _ worse? it is a pan european problem and what we want to _ worse? it is a pan european problem and what we want to see _ worse? it is a pan european problem and what we want to see is - worse? it is a pan european problem and what we want to see is people i worse? it is a pan european problem and what we want to see is people in this country wanting to become hgv drivers because it is a well paid, highly skilled job with good conditions and i think sometimes frankly the conditions have not been a very attractive, least of all for women. ~ , , ., ., women. prime minister, if you want me to renew — women. prime minister, if you want me to renew my _ women. prime minister, if you want me to renew my hgv _ women. prime minister, if you want me to renew my hgv class - women. prime minister, if you want me to renew my hgv class one - me to renew my hgv class one licence, _ me to renew my hgv class one licence, i— me to renew my hgv class one licence, i am standing by. jeremy hunt, _ licence, i am standing by. jeremy hunt, a— licence, i am standing by. jeremy hunt, a health committee chair.

there _ hunt, a health committee chair. there is— hunt, a health committee chair. there is no—one else after meat so you can _ there is no—one else after meat so you can relax— there is no—one else after meat so you can relax and _ there is no—one else after meat so you can relax and take _ there is no—one else after meat so you can relax and take your- there is no—one else after meat so you can relax and take your time. i 'ust you can relax and take your time. i just have _ you can relax and take your time. i just have two — you can relax and take your time. i just have two topics _ you can relax and take your time. i just have two topics and _ you can relax and take your time. i just have two topics and i'm - you can relax and take your time. i just have two topics and i'm sure l just have two topics and i'm sure you can — just have two topics and i'm sure you can get — just have two topics and i'm sure you can get through _ just have two topics and i'm sure you can get through them - just have two topics and i'm surel you can get through them briefly. the first— you can get through them briefly. the first is— you can get through them briefly. the first is about _ you can get through them briefly. the first is about nazanin - the first is about nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe. - the first is about nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe. her- the first is about nazanin - zaghari—ratcliffe. her husband richard — zaghari—ratcliffe. her husband richard just— zaghari—ratcliffe. her husband richard just completed - zaghari—ratcliffe. her husband richard just completed 21 - zaghari—ratcliffe. her husband richard just completed 21 daysj zaghari—ratcliffe. her husband . richard just completed 21 days of hunger— richard just completed 21 days of hunger strike _ richard just completed 21 days of hunger strike and _ richard just completed 21 days of hunger strike and the _ richard just completed 21 days of hunger strike and the iranians . richard just completed 21 days of l hunger strike and the iranians have often _ hunger strike and the iranians have often linked — hunger strike and the iranians have often linked her— hunger strike and the iranians have often linked her detention - hunger strike and the iranians have often linked her detention and - hunger strike and the iranians have often linked her detention and thatj often linked her detention and that often linked her detention and that of a new— often linked her detention and that of a new show— often linked her detention and that of a new show as _ often linked her detention and that of a new show as surely, _ often linked her detention and that of a new show as surely, mirage i often linked her detention and that of a new show as surely, mirage toj of a new show as surely, mirage to bars and _ of a new show as surely, mirage to bars and moran— of a new show as surely, mirage to bars and moran ruth, _ of a new show as surely, mirage to bars and moran ruth, to— of a new show as surely, mirage to| bars and moran ruth, to repayment of a new show as surely, mirage to i bars and moran ruth, to repayment of historic— bars and moran ruth, to repayment of historic debt — bars and moran ruth, to repayment of historic debt. can _ bars and moran ruth, to repayment of historic debt. can i _ bars and moran ruth, to repayment of historic debt. can i confirm _ bars and moran ruth, to repayment of historic debt. can i confirm that- bars and moran ruth, to repayment of historic debt. can i confirm that as i historic debt. can i confirm that as an independent— historic debt. can i confirm that as an independent sovereign- historic debt. can i confirm that asj an independent sovereign country, the decision— an independent sovereign country, the decision to _ an independent sovereign country, the decision to repay— an independent sovereign country, the decision to repay that - an independent sovereign country, the decision to repay that debt i an independent sovereign country, the decision to repay that debt is. the decision to repay that debt is our decision— the decision to repay that debt is our decision and _ the decision to repay that debt is our decision and no _ the decision to repay that debt is our decision and no other- the decision to repay that debt is| our decision and no other country has any— our decision and no other country has any veto— our decision and no other country has any veto over _ our decision and no other country has any veto over that _ our decision and no other country has any veto over that decision i our decision and no other countryj has any veto over that decision to repay— has any veto over that decision to repay that — has any veto over that decision to repay that debt _ has any veto over that decision to repay that debt. you _ has any veto over that decision to repay that debt.— repay that debt. you will be familiar with _ repay that debt. you will be familiar with the _ repay that debt. you will be i familiar with the complexities of this sad case from your own time and the foreign office and you will know how difficult it has been to... forgive me. to resolve, but we

continue to work with the iranians but also with other partners around the world, including the americans who have similar problems of dual nationals in detention in iran. i am not happy with things are at the moment, should we be able to sort it out immediately by repaying the ims? yes, in an ideal world that would be terrific but as you will know from experience it is more complex. i understand that and i understand there _ understand that and i understand there are — understand that and i understand there are sanctions. _ understand that and i understand there are sanctions. yesterday. there are sanctions. yesterday jeremy— there are sanctions. yesterday jeremy wright, _ there are sanctions. yesterday jeremy wright, former- there are sanctions. yesterdayl jeremy wright, former attorney general, — jeremy wright, former attorney general, said— jeremy wright, former attorney general, said because - jeremy wright, former attorney general, said because the - jeremy wright, former attorney general, said because the debtl general, said because the debt predates— general, said because the debt predates the _ general, said because the debt predates the sanctions - general, said because the debt predates the sanctions there i general, said because the debt predates the sanctions there isj general, said because the debt. predates the sanctions there is a legitimate — predates the sanctions there is a legitimate argument— predates the sanctions there is a legitimate argument it _ predates the sanctions there is a legitimate argument it would i predates the sanctions there is a legitimate argument it would be| predates the sanctions there is a i legitimate argument it would be ok to pay— legitimate argument it would be ok to pay it _ legitimate argument it would be ok to pay it but — legitimate argument it would be ok to pay it but if— legitimate argument it would be ok to pay it but if you _ legitimate argument it would be ok to pay it but if you cannot _ legitimate argument it would be ok to pay it but if you cannot use - legitimate argument it would be ok to pay it but if you cannot use a i to pay it but if you cannot use a bank— to pay it but if you cannot use a bank to— to pay it but if you cannot use a bank to repay— to pay it but if you cannot use a bank to repay it— to pay it but if you cannot use a bank to repay it for— to pay it but if you cannot use a bank to repay it for various i to pay it but if you cannot use a i bank to repay it for various reason, why can _ bank to repay it for various reason, why can we — bank to repay it for various reason, why can we not _ bank to repay it for various reason, why can we not do _ bank to repay it for various reason, why can we not do what _ bank to repay it for various reason, why can we not do what president. why can we not do what president 0bama _ why can we not do what president 0bama did —

why can we not do what president 0bama did in— why can we not do what president obama did in 2016 _ why can we not do what president obama did in 2016 and _ why can we not do what president obama did in 2016 and fly- why can we not do what president obama did in 2016 and fly over. why can we not do what president obama did in 2016 and fly over a. obama did in 2016 and fly over a crate _ obama did in 2016 and fly over a crate of— obama did in 2016 and fly over a crate of cash— obama did in 2016 and fly over a crate of cash to _ obama did in 2016 and fly over a crate of cash to tehran - obama did in 2016 and fly over a crate of cash to tehran and i obama did in 2016 and fly over a| crate of cash to tehran and repay that debt? — crate of cash to tehran and repay that debt? it’s _ crate of cash to tehran and repay that debt?— that debt? it's certainly worth considering — that debt? it's certainly worth considering but _ that debt? it's certainly worth considering but as _ that debt? it's certainly worth considering but as you - that debt? it's certainly worth considering but as you know l that debt? it's certainly worth i considering but as you know there are complexities attached. and i think it is also important to recognise there are other dual nationals can uk dual nationals, in addition to nazanin, who form a part of the equation and we have to be sensitive to their needs. i understand but one thing you could say to _ understand but one thing you could say to all— understand but one thing you could say to all of— understand but one thing you could say to all of them _ understand but one thing you could say to all of them that _ understand but one thing you could say to all of them that would - understand but one thing you could say to all of them that would give l say to all of them that would give them _ say to all of them that would give them comfort— say to all of them that would give them comfort is— say to all of them that would give them comfort is that _ say to all of them that would give them comfort is that their- say to all of them that would give them comfort is that their fate i say to all of them that would give l them comfort is that their fate will not in _ them comfort is that their fate will not in any— them comfort is that their fate will not in any way— them comfort is that their fate will not in any way be _ them comfort is that their fate will not in any way be linked _ them comfort is that their fate will not in any way be linked by- them comfort is that their fate will not in any way be linked by the i them comfort is that their fate will not in any way be linked by the ukj not in any way be linked by the uk to the _ not in any way be linked by the uk to the outcome _ not in any way be linked by the uk to the outcome of— not in any way be linked by the uk to the outcome of the _ not in any way be linked by the uk to the outcome of the jcpoa - not in any way be linked by the uk to the outcome of the jcpoa talks| not in any way be linked by the uk i to the outcome of the jcpoa talks in vienna, _ to the outcome of the jcpoa talks in vienna, they— to the outcome of the jcpoa talks in vienna, they will— to the outcome of the jcpoa talks in vienna, they will not _ to the outcome of the jcpoa talks in vienna, they will not be _ to the outcome of the jcpoa talks in vienna, they will not be used - to the outcome of the jcpoa talks in vienna, they will not be used to- to the outcome of the jcpoa talks in vienna, they will not be used to put| vienna, they will not be used to put pressure _ vienna, they will not be used to put pressure on — vienna, they will not be used to put pressure on the _ vienna, they will not be used to put pressure on the iranians. _ vienna, they will not be used to put pressure on the iranians. the - vienna, they will not be used to put pressure on the iranians. the last i pressure on the iranians. the last thing _ pressure on the iranians. the last thing i_ pressure on the iranians. the last thing i wanted _ pressure on the iranians. the last thing i wanted to— pressure on the iranians. the last thing i wanted to say— pressure on the iranians. the last thing i wanted to say is— pressure on the iranians. the last thing i wanted to say is that - thing i wanted to say is that nazanin _ thing i wanted to say is that nazanin herself— thing i wanted to say is that nazanin herself is _ thing i wanted to say is that nazanin herself is under- thing i wanted to say is that i nazanin herself is under house arrest — nazanin herself is under house arrest effectively— nazanin herself is under house arrest effectively but _ nazanin herself is under house arrest effectively but she - nazanin herself is under house arrest effectively but she can l nazanin herself is under house i arrest effectively but she can see tv clips — arrest effectively but she can see tv clips do _ arrest effectively but she can see tv clips. do you _ arrest effectively but she can see tv clips. do you have _ arrest effectively but she can see tv clips. do you have a _ arrest effectively but she can see tv clips. do you have a message| arrest effectively but she can see i tv clips. do you have a message to

her about— tv clips. do you have a message to her about the — tv clips. do you have a message to her about the five _ tv clips. do you have a message to her about the five and _ tv clips. do you have a message to her about the five and a _ tv clips. do you have a message to her about the five and a half- tv clips. do you have a message to her about the five and a half yearsl her about the five and a half years it has— her about the five and a half years it has taken— her about the five and a half years it has taken and _ her about the five and a half years it has taken and whether - her about the five and a half years it has taken and whether she i her about the five and a half years it has taken and whether she can. her about the five and a half years i it has taken and whether she can get home _ it has taken and whether she can get home for— it has taken and whether she can get home for christmas? _ it has taken and whether she can get home for christmas? i— it has taken and whether she can get home for christmas?— it has taken and whether she can get home for christmas? i want to say to nazanin and — home for christmas? i want to say to nazanin and she _ home for christmas? i want to say to nazanin and she and _ home for christmas? i want to say to nazanin and she and i _ home for christmas? i want to say to nazanin and she and i have - home for christmas? i want to say to nazanin and she and i have been i home for christmas? i want to say to nazanin and she and i have been in l nazanin and she and i have been in touch, as i'm sure she was in touch with you when you were foreign secretary, i'm horrified, i continue to be horrified by the ordeal she been through. i have nothing but admiration for the way in which she has dealt with it. it has been unbearable to witness and i know how much she wants to come home and to see herfamily and to much she wants to come home and to see her family and to see richard come to see her daughter and to be able to come back to this country and i can tell you that we are working as hard as we can to ensure we deliver that. it is not easy and if i could tell nazanin now that we would have her home for christmas i certainly would and it breaks my

heart i cannot make that promise but we will continue to do what we can. thank you. second earlier, completely— thank you. second earlier, completely different, i thank you. second earlier, completely different, is i thank you. second earlier, i completely different, is nhs staffing _ completely different, is nhs staffing and _ completely different, is nhs staffing and we _ completely different, is nhs staffing and we know- completely different, is nhs staffing and we know that i completely different, is nhs staffing and we know that in| completely different, is nhs i staffing and we know that in the pandemic— staffing and we know that in the pandemic we _ staffing and we know that in the pandemic we have _ staffing and we know that in the pandemic we have recruited i staffing and we know that in the i pandemic we have recruited 5500 staffing and we know that in the - pandemic we have recruited 5500 more doctors _ pandemic we have recruited 5500 more doctors and _ pandemic we have recruited 5500 more doctors and 10,000 _ pandemic we have recruited 5500 more doctors and 10,000 more _ pandemic we have recruited 5500 more doctors and 10,000 more nurses - pandemic we have recruited 5500 more doctors and 10,000 more nurses but i doctors and 10,000 more nurses but we also _ doctors and 10,000 more nurses but we also know— doctors and 10,000 more nurses but we also know there _ doctors and 10,000 more nurses but we also know there are _ doctors and 10,000 more nurses but we also know there are 93,000 i we also know there are 93,000 vacancies— we also know there are 93,000 vacancies in_ we also know there are 93,000 vacancies in the _ we also know there are 93,000 vacancies in the nhs _ we also know there are 93,000 vacancies in the nhs with - we also know there are 93,000 - vacancies in the nhs with shortages in every— vacancies in the nhs with shortages in every specialtv _ vacancies in the nhs with shortages in every specialty. sir _ vacancies in the nhs with shortages in every specialty. sir bernard, - vacancies in the nhs with shortages in every specialty. sir bernard, i - in every specialty. sir bernard, i and five — in every specialty. sir bernard, i and five other— in every specialty. sir bernard, i and five other select _ in every specialty. sir bernard, i and five other select committee | and five other select committee chairs_ and five other select committee chairs have _ and five other select committee chairs have put _ and five other select committee chairs have put down _ and five other select committee chairs have put down an - and five other select committee - chairs have put down an amendment to the health— chairs have put down an amendment to the health tteen— chairs have put down an amendment to the health been asking _ chairs have put down an amendment to the health been asking for— the health been asking for independent _ the health been asking for independent estimates. the health been asking for independent estimates to | the health been asking for. independent estimates to be published _ independent estimates to be published every— independent estimates to be published every couple - independent estimates to be published every couple of. independent estimates to be . published every couple of years independent estimates to be - published every couple of years as to how _ published every couple of years as to how many — published every couple of years as to how many doctors _ published every couple of years as to how many doctors and - published every couple of years as to how many doctors and nurses . published every couple of years as i to how many doctors and nurses we should _ to how many doctors and nurses we should be _ to how many doctors and nurses we should be training. _ to how many doctors and nurses we should be training. will— to how many doctors and nurses we should be training. will the - should be training. will the government— should be training. will the government support - should be training. will the government support that l should be training. will the _ government support that amendment? i'm government support that amendment? i'm interested — government support that amendment? i'm interested in— government support that amendment? i'm interested in what _ government support that amendment? i'm interested in what you _ government support that amendment? i'm interested in what you are - i'm interested in what you are saying and in the amendment but we have our own targets and ambitions as government can we want another

50,000 more nurses and we are on track to deliver that by the end of the parliament. there is now a record number of health care professionals in the nhs, more than ever before. we are working as hard as we can to get more gps, which was raised earlier in the house, and to get more radiographers. we are assured in many key areas. whether our campaign would be helped by the measures that you propose, i cannot say but i am happy to study them. taste say but i am happy to study them. we are not asking for new targets just for independent _ are not asking for new targets just for independent estimates - are not asking for new targets just for independent estimates of- are not asking for new targets just for independent estimates of the i for independent estimates of the numbers— for independent estimates of the numbers we _ for independent estimates of the numbers we should _ for independent estimates of the numbers we should be _ for independent estimates of the numbers we should be training . for independent estimates of the i numbers we should be training from for independent estimates of the - numbers we should be training from a given— numbers we should be training from a given takes— numbers we should be training from a given takes seven _ numbers we should be training from a given takes seven years _ numbers we should be training from a given takes seven years to _ numbers we should be training from a given takes seven years to train - numbers we should be training from a given takes seven years to train a - given takes seven years to train a doctor~ _ given takes seven years to train a doctor~ could _ given takes seven years to train a doctor. could you _ given takes seven years to train a doctor. could you put _ given takes seven years to train a doctor. could you put yourself - given takes seven years to train a doctor. could you put yourself in| doctor. could you put yourself in the shoes — doctor. could you put yourself in the shoes of— doctor. could you put yourself in the shoes of a _ doctor. could you put yourself in the shoes of a doctor— doctor. could you put yourself in the shoes of a doctor or- doctor. could you put yourself in the shoes of a doctor or nurse i doctor. could you put yourself in| the shoes of a doctor or nurse on the shoes of a doctor or nurse on the front— the shoes of a doctor or nurse on the front tine. _ the shoes of a doctor or nurse on the front line, so _ the shoes of a doctor or nurse on the front line, so the _ the shoes of a doctor or nurse on the front line, so the royal- the front line, so the royal college. _ the front line, so the royal college. to— the front line, so the royal college, to give _ the front line, so the royal college, to give you - the front line, so the royal college, to give you the i the front line, so the royal. college, to give you the exact numbers, _ college, to give you the exact numbers, they— college, to give you the exact numbers, they are _ college, to give you the exact numbers, they are by- college, to give you the exact numbers, they are by no- college, to give you the exact . numbers, they are by no means political— numbers, they are by no means political extremist, _ numbers, they are by no means political extremist, they- numbers, they are by no means political extremist, they said i

numbers, they are by no means| political extremist, they said we need _ political extremist, they said we need 500 — political extremist, they said we need 500 more _ political extremist, they said we need 500 more obstetricians, . political extremist, they said we i need 500 more obstetricians, 1400 more _ need 500 more obstetricians, 1400 more anaesthetists, _ need 500 more obstetricians, 1400 more anaesthetists, 2000 - need 500 more obstetricians, 1400 more anaesthetists, 2000 more i more anaesthetists, 2000 more ntidwives— more anaesthetists, 2000 more midwives and _ more anaesthetists, 2000 more midwives and a&e _ more anaesthetists, 2000 more midwives and a&e consultants, i more anaesthetists, 2000 more i midwives and a&e consultants, and 39.000 _ midwives and a&e consultants, and 39.000 nurses— midwives and a&e consultants, and 39,000 nurses today, _ midwives and a&e consultants, and 39,000 nurses today, so _ midwives and a&e consultants, and 39,000 nurses today, so why- midwives and a&e consultants, and| 39,000 nurses today, so why would you not— 39,000 nurses today, so why would you not want— 39,000 nurses today, so why would you not want to _ 39,000 nurses today, so why would you not want to give _ 39,000 nurses today, so why would you not want to give people - 39,000 nurses today, so why would you not want to give people on - 39,000 nurses today, so why would you not want to give people on the i you not want to give people on the front _ you not want to give people on the front tine _ you not want to give people on the front tine the — you not want to give people on the front line the encouragement - you not want to give people on the front line the encouragement that| you not want to give people on the| front line the encouragement that if we cannot— front line the encouragement that if we cannot solve _ front line the encouragement that if we cannot solve the _ front line the encouragement that if we cannot solve the problem - front line the encouragement that if we cannot solve the problem right i we cannot solve the problem right away, _ we cannot solve the problem right away, we — we cannot solve the problem right away, we are _ we cannot solve the problem right away. we are at _ we cannot solve the problem right away, we are at least _ we cannot solve the problem right away, we are at least training - away, we are at least training enough — away, we are at least training enough for— away, we are at least training enough for the _ away, we are at least training enough for the future? - away, we are at least training enough for the future? [- away, we are at least training enough for the future?- away, we are at least training enough for the future? i am not really your— enough for the future? i am not really your idea _ enough for the future? i am not really your idea out _ enough for the future? i am not really your idea out but - enough for the future? i am not really your idea out but i - enough for the future? i am not really your idea out but i am - enough for the future? i am not. really your idea out but i am saying we have set ambitious targets, we have record numbers in the nhs, we will look at your idea. and have record numbers in the nhs, we will look at your idea.— will look at your idea. and last one, sir bernard, _ will look at your idea. and last one, sir bernard, briefly, - will look at your idea. and last one, sir bernard, briefly, all. will look at your idea. and last i one, sir bernard, briefly, all that one, sir bernard, briefly, allthat training— one, sir bernard, briefly, allthat training is— one, sir bernard, briefly, allthat training is funded _ one, sir bernard, briefly, allthat training is funded by— one, sir bernard, briefly, allthat training is funded by health- training is funded by health education _ training is funded by health education england - training is funded by health education england but- training is funded by health education england but even training is funded by health- education england but even after the spending _ education england but even after the spending review— education england but even after the spending review they _ education england but even after the spending review they have _ education england but even after the spending review they have not - education england but even after the spending review they have not beeni spending review they have not been given _ spending review they have not been given their— spending review they have not been given their budget. _ spending review they have not been given their budget. can _ spending review they have not been given their budget. can you - spending review they have not been| given their budget. can you promise with the _ given their budget. can you promise with the staff— given their budget. can you promise with the staff shortages _ given their budget. can you promise with the staff shortages that - given their budget. can you promise with the staff shortages that it - with the staff shortages that it will not — with the staff shortages that it will not be _ with the staff shortages that it will not be cut _ with the staff shortages that it will not be cut in— with the staff shortages that it will not be cut in real- with the staff shortages that it will not be cut in real terms i with the staff shortages that it . will not be cut in real terms cut?

the trudget— will not be cut in real terms cut? the trudget and _ will not be cut in real terms cut? the budget and the _ will not be cut in real terms cut? - the budget and the spending review add another 36, if you look at the health and social care... the add another 36, if you look at the health and social care. . .- add another 36, if you look at the health and social care... the bit of it on training... _ health and social care... the bit of it on training... another _ health and social care... the bit of it on training... another 36 - health and social care... the bit of it on training... another 36 billion | it on training... another 36 billion on to of it on training... another 36 billion on tap of the _ it on training... another 36 billion on top of the extra _ it on training... another 36 billion on top of the extra plenty - it on training... another 36 billion on top of the extra plenty to - on top of the extra plenty to brilliantly put into front line health care on top of the 32 billion we put in two years ago when we came in, i'm sure there is within the nhs budget, there must be plans for health education but i will look at what you say. health education but i will look at what you say-— what you say. thank you, prime minister. you _ what you say. thank you, prime minister. you have _ what you say. thank you, prime minister. you have been - what you say. thank you, prime i minister. you have been generous with your— minister. you have been generous with your time today and generous that you _ with your time today and generous that you have given three sessions this year— that you have given three sessions this year on— that you have given three sessions this year on top of the delayed session~ — this year on top of the delayed session. , , ., , ,, ., session. this is the fourth session! thank ou session. this is the fourth session! thank you and _ session. this is the fourth session! thank you and we _ session. this is the fourth session! thank you and we will— session. this is the fourth session! thank you and we will see - session. this is the fourth session! thank you and we will see you - session. this is the fourth session! | thank you and we will see you next year _ thank you and we will see you next ear. ., . , year. order, order. that is the end of those proceedings, _ year. order, order. that is the end of those proceedings, the - year. order, order. that is the end of those proceedings, the prime i of those proceedings, the prime minister appearing at the liaison committee, the heads of the various

committees of the house of commons talking about a range of subjects. we will be looking at that in the news but first, here's the weather. hello there. it has been a chilly start to the day, but a lot of dry weather around, with plenty of sunshine, away from the north of the uk. this is where we have seen thicker cloud, particularly western scotland, where there have been a few showers. so, it has been quite windy as well across northern areas, close to these areas of low pressure, you can see plenty of isobars across scotland, but fewer isobars further south, further west with the outbreaks of rain it will be milder than it has in the last few nights. that continues on thursday can how pressure to the south, lower pressure to the south, lower pressure to the north and south westerly winds and some mild moving right across the uk so that we have this mild air in place on thursday will be a lot of cloud around, you

will be a lot of cloud around, you will be a lot of cloud around, you will be lucky if you catch some sunshine, rain for the north and west of scotland, temperatures in mid—teens for many of us.

this is bbc news. the headlines. borisjohnson tells a committee of mps that it was a "total mistake" to attempt to reform parliamentary standards at the same time his conservative colleague owen paterson was facing suspension for breaking lobbying rules. i think the committee will agree that i accepted that it was a mistake and that it was my mistake. we'll be looking at some of the other issues the prime minister has been facing at the cross—party

committee of mps.